vtr g/box in vts

14th July 2009, 21:16

hi, does anybody know if there will be much differnce fitting a vtr gearbox to a vts engine ?? i'm told it should pull harder ? ?

14th July 2009, 21:21

no, the opposite. it will accelerate slower but have a theoretical higher top speed. i say theoretical because without massive power, you won't be able to pull that top speed. 162mph iirc.

14th July 2009, 21:32

Dont do it..

14th July 2009, 21:32

thanks.. so is the vtr box not geared shorter ? what box would you recommend ?

14th July 2009, 21:34

hi ari, why you sayig don't do it ? thanks

14th July 2009, 21:35

1.4 xsi box or an S1 rallye box. only ones worth going for over a vts box

14th July 2009, 21:36

because the gearbox is alot longer than the vts

imo keep with a vts box, its suited to the engine, and it a good mid range box, if you want something that will pull a little better, but will still be reasonable to drive on motorway, the next box would be the s2rallye/1.6 xsi box, but will be easier to get hold of a vts box too

14th July 2009, 21:41

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Originally Posted by markymarc35

hi ari, why you sayig don't do it ? thanks

The gearing is far too long, acceleration will suffer big time. Replace with a VTS box or if you want something closer geared for improved acceleration go for one the MA sport box's ie, the 106 S1 Rallye box (shortest) tops out at around 120mph tho, lol or the 106 S1 1.4 XSI box (a tad longer) then the S2 Rallye box (longer again) then the VTS is next.

See the ratios and final drives on ultimate gearbox guide here.. http://www.106owners.co.uk/forums/sh...ad.php?t=30004

14th July 2009, 21:52

thanks all, not sure which one to choose now lol.. all the box's mentioned do they fit straight on ?

14th July 2009, 21:56

yer they do

basically it depends what you want from the car and whether you use it as a daily or drive long distance, how often you drive it as to which box to go for really, if you do alot of driving and do long distances the 1,4xsi and s1 rallye box should be taken out the equation, i have a 1,4 xsi box and drive 2 miles to work and its shit i have to do 50mph to get decent mpg, erm so best option is s2 rallye box or just get vts box imo mate

EDIT: i do 26 miles to work and another back a day, not too lol miss typed haha

15th July 2009, 08:33

its a load of rubbish on a mildly modded vts its just too long, although better on fuel

15th July 2009, 11:40

if the vtr box is too long for the vts how come it works well on the vtr ?

15th July 2009, 11:57

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Originally Posted by markymarc35

if the vtr box is too long for the vts how come it works well on the vtr ?

because the 8v delivers its power differently
however a few guys will agree when i say if you put a vts box on a vtr its a big improvement

basically the vtr box has one of the longest final drives in the ma range
its good for boost
thats about it

15th July 2009, 12:25

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Originally Posted by AlexB

because the 8v delivers its power differently
however a few guys will agree when i say if you put a vts box on a vtr its a big improvement

basically the vtr box has one of the longest final drives in the ma range
its good for boost
thats about it

reading this i was thinking of gettin an S box for mine, no you have said the R box is good for boost so will prob keep my standard R box.

why is the VTR box better for boost, is it because its longer?? sory for hijacking the thread.

15th July 2009, 12:53

yea the longer ratios mean your not shifting as much and as its longer means its harder to break traction when the boost comes in (as it can be quite a hard curve in some cases)

15th July 2009, 12:53

highly boosted engines cant always put the power down well so a longer gearbox aids acceleration throughout the gears

for example a friend of mine is running 210+bhp vts turbo he had a 1.4xsi gearbox with diff etc and every gear spun up whilst driving. he changed back to his vts box and still had the same problem. So vtr box is the best on the market

15th July 2009, 12:59

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Originally Posted by AlexB

yea the longer ratios mean your not shifting as much and as its longer means its harder to break traction when the boost comes in (as it can be quite a hard curve in some cases)

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Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom

highly boosted engines cant always put the power down well so a longer gearbox aids acceleration throughout the gears

for example a friend of mine is running 210+bhp vts turbo he had a 1.4xsi gearbox with diff etc and every gear spun up whilst driving. he changed back to his vts box and still had the same problem. So vtr box is the best on the market

cool thanks for the advice guys

i was just wondering what it would be like as i have never driven a VTS & g/boxes are not one of my strong points lol

15th July 2009, 13:39

sorry 2 jack this thread but ARI i looked at the final drive list u put a link 4 and my vts box did 110 in 4th and not sure wot 5th was coz went off clocks at 140mph, im needin a new gear box 2 and wanted something that will make it go better but dont wanna top out at 110 or sumat as most cars will woop me lol, the 110 in 4th wasnt redline either why wud this be wen its says a vts box tops out at 122mph?

15th July 2009, 19:24

do you have a vts? or a vtr with vts box on it though?

15th July 2009, 19:34

vts box m8 its been superchipped , got uprated pistons and remapped wud that make that much difference and was wondering if a furio/quiksilver gearbox will go on the vts 2 make it accelerate more and wot bowt the 205 rallye box is that any good?

15th July 2009, 19:45

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Originally Posted by admad

sorry 2 jack this thread but ARI i looked at the final drive list u put a link 4 and my vts box did 110 in 4th and not sure wot 5th was coz went off clocks at 140mph, im needin a new gear box 2 and wanted something that will make it go better but dont wanna top out at 110 or sumat as most cars will woop me lol, the 110 in 4th wasnt redline either why wud this be wen its says a vts box tops out at 122mph?

Where does it say the VTS tops out at 122mph? .. or are you going by the manufacturers top speed stats?.. that is not a redline figure.

The link I provided gives sections with the different redline rpm's, choose the one closest to whatever the redline is on your car and work from there.

Improved acceleration is one thing but what max speed would you be happy for it to top out at?

15th July 2009, 19:54

i spose i wud b happy at 130 i read it wud do about .3mph under 122 on 195/15s which is what im running on the car, my gear box is now completely died on me so in 2 weeks will be replacing it and was just lookin at my options 4 a different sorta drive acceleration is more important 2 me than top speed coz got 9 points already and how often is it u get into a race where u need 2 do over 140. i dont really understand the ratios bit the vtr box looks pretty close 2 it but if gonna slow me down not gonna do that

15th July 2009, 19:58

sorry didnt answer ur question i got the info 4 122mph of the link u provided its strange coz by looks of it youd think a vtr is better than a vts. also the bit about it redlining at over 7000rpm how do u get ur car able to do that coz there saying u can get well over 160mph of a vtr or furio! which would be blinding for a saxo could definately show my m8 up in his civic vti sir which is a mental machine lol

15th July 2009, 20:04

Right, what rpm's does your car redline at?

15th July 2009, 20:16

6750rpm

15th July 2009, 20:35

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Originally Posted by admad

6750rpm

Ok.. take the figures for a given box for the 6250rpm and also the 7250rpm redline figures and write them down. Your 6750 limit falls right in the middle of these 2 sets so........ divide the difference between the 2.. by 2 and add that figure to the 6250rpm figures to find the correct redline figures for your engine.

ie, VTS box. 5th gear- 7250 limit is 141.2mph. The 6250rpm figure is 121.7mph.

So 141.2 minus 121.7 = 19.5 which divided by 2 = 9.75 So 121.7 plus 9.75 = 131.45 mph which is the top speed for the VTS box for a 6750rpm redline.

Please dont turn round and tell me you've had 140mph out your car so my figures must be shit.. as theres a + 10 % (aprox) speedo tolerance inaccuracy to take into account.

Im not gonna do it all for you.. so get your calculator out.

15th July 2009, 20:46

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Originally Posted by admad

sorry didnt answer ur question i got the info 4 122mph of the link u provided its strange coz by looks of it youd think a vtr is better than a vts. also the bit about it redlining at over 7000rpm how do u get ur car able to do that coz there saying u can get well over 160mph of a vtr or furio! which would be blinding for a saxo could definately show my m8 up in his civic vti sir which is a mental machine lol

Wouldnt life be great if achieving 500mph only required a long gearbox?

Ok.. these figures are theoretical top speed figures for a given final drive ratio, the engine wont have enough torque to actually reach them due to the resistance of the air, ie co-efficiency drag. So when it hits its air brick wall at say 120mph it means the remaining unused revs are totally wasted.

15th July 2009, 20:46

im not saying your figures are shit im saying my car did 140 if u say theres a +10% inaccuracy then its gonna do approx 144 which would ring true since i wasn't flat out at 140 wasn't 2 far off but was going still. anyway thats not what i want to know still not sure if a 205 rallye box or a furio box is gonna benefit me?

15th July 2009, 21:03

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Originally Posted by admad

im not saying your figures are shit im saying my car did 140 if u say theres a +10% inaccuracy then its gonna do approx 144 which would ring true since i wasn't flat out at 140 wasn't 2 far off but was going still. anyway thats not what i want to know still not sure if a 205 rallye box or a furio box is gonna benefit me?

You dont understand, it doesnt work like that.

You have a VTS gearbox right?

The VTS gearbox tops out at 131.45 mph. Add aprox 10 % of that figure and you get 144.595 mph which is what your car will show on the clock at the redline when it is in actual fact only doing 131.45mph ok?

The Furio isn't an SP box so the in gear ratios aren't great for where the power comes in for your engine, ie after changing you are just off cam in some gears, its also too long, even longer than the VTS box.

...and the 205 too short.

You still havent told me what max speed you would settle for.

15th July 2009, 21:05

Im wrong.. you did, 130mph.. so buy another VTS box.

15th July 2009, 21:14

ah i see wot ur saying now i thought u meant the clocks were reading lower so to add 10%, never mind i know what i wanted now vts box it is then thanks for the help

15th July 2009, 21:18

1.6 XSI or S2 Rallye box if you would be happier with a top end of 127 (real mph) though you wouldn't really notice the improvement in acceleration due it being such a small difference.

S1 1.4 XSI box, real speed 120mph

Take your pick..

15th July 2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by admad

ah i see wot ur saying now i thought u meant the clocks were reading lower so to add 10%, never mind i know what i wanted now vts box it is then thanks for the help

No worries bud.

15th July 2009, 21:21

if its that minimal of a difference ill just stick 2 what i had chances are ill think it feels better as the brake on the gear box 4 goin into 2nd didnt work proper so when was givin it some in 1 st had to slowly change to 2nd or short shift it lol