Is it worth it?

15th July 2009, 15:04

right, i've pretty much reached the final point of tuning my car on the standard inlet. the next stage is tb's, turbo or supercharger.
i've been planning to supercharge the car for years as i want as much useable power as possible. Now i'll be in a financial position to do this at some point this year, but what i want to know is will it be worth it? its going to cost me a further 3-4 grand to get it to a decent spec and with that money i could spend it on an evo 5/6 if i sold my car too and they are quick from the word go and they handle, and they look good etc etc.
i've already got a quaife atb, helix clutch, dta engine management, cams, suspension and even got nitrous on it and it seems a shame to get this far and then give up.

I'm after the opinions of guys running boost and evo owners ideally.

the points putting me off an evo are:

fuel costs
repair bills
expensive to tune
expensive to insure

the points putting me off tuning the vts more:

its a saxo
it will always be a saxo
its fwd
every teenage chav pr!ck you see is driving one
with big power it will have to be driven reasonably carefully because of the strain that the power will put everything under.

but on the plus side it will be savagely fast with close on 300bhp and the fact that its just a saxo will make it even better.

opinions?

15th July 2009, 15:09

people expect an evo to be quick, they dont expect it from a saxo.

the pure fun factor of it would be cool

15th July 2009, 15:11

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Originally Posted by rey

people expect an evo to be quick, they dont expect it from a saxo.

the pure fun factor of it would be cool

thats another thing i think about, i forgot to mention that in the post!
i love that but at the same time it bugs me if you get me? people laugh at it because 'its just a saxo'

i love it and hate it for the same reasons if that makes any sense?

15th July 2009, 15:22

people that know about cars would like what you've done with 'just a saxo'

it has its ups and downs

15th July 2009, 15:31

everyone i know keeps telling me to give up and get an evo or scoob,
but just emagine those evos and scoobs getting done by you in (just a saxo)
they wont say that then,
how ever evo is an awsome car m8, if u want i can arrange for you to have ago in one.
see what you think

15th July 2009, 15:39

keep the saxo and expand on that

would definatley say S/C or T/B though over turbo = no lag....just imagine the look on an evo or scooby drivers face when your overtaking them plus the noise it would make would put a smile cheek to cheek everytime you start it

15th July 2009, 15:39

An evo or scoob are expensive to run insure AND modify and modify you surely will. Also sod it yes you drive a saxo but a 300bhp saxo is gonna be a heck of a lot faster than an evo or scoob...

15th July 2009, 15:50

Be different, boost the french f00ker lol

scoobies & evo's are fast without doubt and you'll need to do alot to the Saxo keep up with modded ones, standard ones yes, my target are set of the Golf 1.6 GTi look a like mofo's, their's plenty our way

ManC

15th July 2009, 16:04

im sure there is more you can do to your engine to extract more from it. then think about the rest of the car.

15th July 2009, 17:36

some good points being made, the more i think about it the more i think it would be great having a s/c vts because how often do you come across them? and how often do you come across an evo?

sparco_tom, short of boost or t/bodies there isn't really anything that would give me a decent gain in bhp, obviously there is more power to be extracted but nothing that would be worth the money.

one big factor thats putting me off is i haven't driven a s/c saxo nor have i been in a s/c saxo which to me makes it quite risky spending all that money on it to then be possibly dissapointed with it. i know it will be quick, but,

will it be useable?
will it be reliable?
will it put that power down? its all good having big power but its still fwd. i know the supercharger is a far more linear power delivery than a turbo so i know it will put power down better than if it were turbo'd.

15th July 2009, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by adzvtr

everyone i know keeps telling me to give up and get an evo or scoob,
but just emagine those evos and scoobs getting done by you in (just a saxo)
they wont say that then,
how ever evo is an awsome car m8, if u want i can arrange for you to have ago in one.
see what you think

adz that would be awesome, that wouldn't happen to be through your friend who works at mitsi would it?

15th July 2009, 17:42

Test drive an Evo and see what you think, Imagine what It would be like day to day etc. Maybe arrange to get a passenger ride in a charged VTS on here? Im sure the owners wouldnt mind

The only thing the Saxo has over the Evo is that its cheap performance motoring, great fun at little cost. Get an Evo and as you know everythings expensive, fuel, insurance, tracker costs, tyres, parts, repairs.

But then again saying that, a charged saxos going to be pretty similar in that respect too. Only difference there is that the Evos drivetrain can take it whereas the Saxos isnt built for more than 180 brake really, the input shaft, clutch and shafts are all going to take a hammering and probably give in a lot.

The Evos the more grown up car. The saxos the more playful chuckable car. But the Evo can obviously take you a lot further in terms of performance.

15th July 2009, 17:43

maybe its time to give up and look at the evo of something that isnt a saxo? start tuning a 182 clio or something

15th July 2009, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Sparco_Tom

maybe its time to give up and look at the evo of something that isnt a saxo? start tuning a 182 clio or something

possibly, i'd never buy a clio 172/182 though. they're great cars but i'd feel like i'm back to square 1 in a little fwd hot hatch that i'd have to tune to get near the 'big cars'. if i considered anything else fwd it would be a focus rs.

i dunno, having been out in several evo's they seem just as chuckable as what the saxo seems to be. i've never raced one on track so i wouldn't know if its the same then.

ben, i haven't really seen anyone on here thats got a supercharged saxo apart from people in scotland!

15th July 2009, 19:15

Two things quaife diff and toyo r888s...should give the evo's a surprise...And screw it anyway the sax is more fun! i was racing a impreza wrx estate and yeah he was a heck of a lot faster but who had the most fun trying to keep up? ME!

15th July 2009, 19:19

already got the quiafe diff, just want more power!

15th July 2009, 19:26

If you have invested that much time and money into it stick with it. Its like a bird you get bored of the one you have and wanna do something else but realy the one you have is better than you realise...

15th July 2009, 20:00

Go boost...

15th July 2009, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

If you have invested that much time and money into it stick with it. Its like a bird you get bored of the one you have and wanna do something else but realy the one you have is better than you realise...

Wow, those are wise words LOL

ManC

15th July 2009, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by hard_corejoeboy

If you have invested that much time and money into it stick with it. Its like a bird you get bored of the one you have and wanna do something else but realy the one you have is better than you realise...

how romantic. lol.

16th July 2009, 01:43

ye m8 it is, also have another m8 that wouldnt mind letting you take his for a spin, personally m8 my honest appinion, you have already spent a lot of money on the saxo, and it is one of the quickest if not the quickest round our way, and i notced with nos in mine alot of people are interested, (got more people asking me about my car on nitrous than my friend with his 400bhp scooby) so imagine wat they would be like with the charger added. it would be different and not just another saxo, DO IT M8,

16th July 2009, 02:21

this is going back some years i was heading down the moterway from warrington to santa pod in a 205 gti and m8 was in a festia turbo both were tuned up.we hit the m1 then this nova came behind us then a evo 2 . i thought? kinda winked to m8 lets have this shitty little nova of and dont mess with evo. the morral of the story is the nova took me my m8 and the evo out. and we thought it was a bog standard car .thats how people look at saxos

16th July 2009, 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddison_vts

thats another thing i think about, i forgot to mention that in the post!
i love that but at the same time it bugs me if you get me? people laugh at it because 'its just a saxo'

i love it and hate it for the same reasons if that makes any sense?

let them see that its just a saxo when you blow by there 20grand motors.

mate, scoobies and evo's are everywhere, turbo'd and charged saxo's aint

16th July 2009, 02:46

my mate tam has a charged vts that is really done up in a stripped ax shell. wheighs 640kg with all fluids filled. his is sittin at 259 bhp at the wheels and he blows by most things on most tracks

16th July 2009, 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Test drive an Evo and see what you think, Imagine what It would be like day to day etc. Maybe arrange to get a passenger ride in a charged VTS on here? Im sure the owners wouldnt mind

The only thing the Saxo has over the Evo is that its cheap performance motoring, great fun at little cost. Get an Evo and as you know everythings expensive, fuel, insurance, tracker costs, tyres, parts, repairs.

But then again saying that, a charged saxos going to be pretty similar in that respect too. Only difference there is that the Evos drivetrain can take it whereas the Saxos isnt built for more than 180 brake really, the input shaft, clutch and shafts are all going to take a hammering and probably give in a lot.

The Evos the more grown up car. The saxos the more playful chuckable car. But the Evo can obviously take you a lot further in terms of performance.

yea, what he has got to think about is he going to want more out of his sax once it has be s/c because by the sounds of things there is not a lot of engine modding left after that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sliderz

this is going back some years i was heading down the moterway from warrington to santa pod in a 205 gti and m8 was in a festia turbo both were tuned up.we hit the m1 then this nova came behind us then a evo 2 . i thought? kinda winked to m8 lets have this shitty little nova of and dont mess with evo. the morral of the story is the nova took me my m8 and the evo out. and we thought it was a bog standard car .thats how people look at saxos

fast standard looking cars are rembered!

16th July 2009, 16:42

Ok, to show the potential of a saxo, my mate since primary school has a turbo gti, it makes 380 bhp and is brutal. Ok it cost 15k but its epic.

I know 380's a big statement so, heres a vid from a few days back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn8Ow...e=channel_page

Its a special edition Ferrari driven by man who races them.

Mate has already crashed a 106 so was being cautious for the most part.

16th July 2009, 16:52

whats the spec of the 106 then bud?

16th July 2009, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junction27

Ok, to show the potential of a saxo, my mate since primary school has a turbo gti, it makes 380 bhp and is brutal. Ok it cost 15k but its epic.

I know 380's a big statement so, heres a vid from a few days back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn8Ow...e=channel_page

Its a special edition Ferrari driven by man who races them.

Mate has already crashed a 106 so was being cautious for the most part.

Best 4:17 I've seen in ages LOL. He didnt seem to pull away like I thought he would.

Love to know the full spec of th 106.