Your ideal VTR Engine.

1. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

   #1 20th July 2009, 13:47

   Hey guy’s heres a good one for ya, I’ve just come into a bit of money bout 4 grand and was thinking of throwing into my VTR. She’s already lowered 50mm all round and has a nice cool air feed induction. Anyways I’m leaving the outside standard cuz I love it; I have no intention of putting a VTS in it or selling her im also aware this is kinda a waste of money but hey its gonna be good fun. So that in mind if you were me what would be your favorite set up for fast road use and track days. Let’s keep it simple say just do bullet points. ie.
   
   1. carbs from R1
   2. Full decat with 421
   3. Port n polish/Bore
   4. Road Cams
   5. Remap
   6. Supercharge
   
   Okay so that maybe complete over kill for 4 grand but you get the idea. Also whilst I can knock a std Saxo about I have no idea on high end modification so bare cheapish labor cost in mind as I have some good contacts.
   
   Enjoy.
2. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

   #2 20th July 2009, 13:51

   Spose i should also mention its a Mk1 VTR blacktop 1.6 done 114000 miles, Can change the engine over if need be to a yonger one.
3. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #3 20th July 2009, 13:51

   My ideal 8v engine is one with 8 more valves
   
   Carbs are cack, backwards step in tuning to fuel injection.
   
   A supercharged engine would be the route id go on an s1 rallye inlet.
4. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #4 20th July 2009, 13:51

   To be honest mate NA tuning a VTR lump when youve got that amount of money is a waste of time, the 16v lump is just so much better for that. So if you dont want to put oe of them in your bay Id reccomend a medium boost turbo setup, and then spend the rest on decent suspension and brakes, and some lightweight wheels
5. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

   #5 20th July 2009, 13:56

   If I was going to tune an 8v id rather tune the 1.4 xsi than the VTR tbh.
   
   
   If you've got 4000, buy a VTS engine and get it fitted. - £800
   
   Buy throttle bodies - £1200
   Buy crazy cams £300
   Buy ECU & get it mapped - £800
   
   Then with the remaining 900. Get some nice tyres £300, some nice brakes £300 and some track time.
   
   I know you say you don't want to fit a VTS, but putting 4 grand into a VTR still wont put you near a VTS with 2 grand in it. Theres really no reason not to put a VTS in with 4000 at your disposal.

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6. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

   #6 20th July 2009, 14:01

   liking the feedback guys, i only want to keep the 8v in it because its a VTR and wanted to keep it that way, I see it that if its got a 16v in it then its not a VTR. But that said i can be convinced lol.
7. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #7 20th July 2009, 14:01

   See my vtR...
   
   
8. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

   #8 20th July 2009, 14:03

   Liking what your saying Ste you make a good point as do Ben_saxo and RyanP,
9. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

   #9 20th July 2009, 14:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ryan See my vtR...

   Like it, Like it allot.
10. furio-james Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Chippenham Posts: 828 E36 330i coupe (converted)

    #10 20th July 2009, 14:10

    sounds like your engine at the mo would need to go anyway so i would say replace that with a vts engine theres no point putting in another VTR engine if you want to get more power
11. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #11 20th July 2009, 14:11

    I can see me buyin a VTS lump at this rate, Is there any love at all for the good old original 8v?
12. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #12 20th July 2009, 14:11

    is this an unlimited budget or to 4k?
13. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #13 20th July 2009, 14:11

    True true FurioJ
14. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #14 20th July 2009, 14:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Sophia_Bush is this an unlimited budget or to 4k?

    4K only buddy.
15. gd16 Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2003 Tayside Posts: 893 S/c VT!?

    #15 20th July 2009, 14:15

    If i had stuck with 8v;
    
    S1 Rallye Inlet
    S/c conversion including single pass GMC/PACE intercooler - Unrestricted charger
    Oil Cooler
    Head with larger valves
    Standalone
    Forged Rods, Pistons
    Stroker Crank - up to 1.8l
    
    
    But then decided that i would get more power, for less outlay with 16v. £1k more for new crank and custom rods compared to JP4 lump. And much more potential with the extra valves.
16. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #16 20th July 2009, 14:19

    Easy then for 4k
    
    1) turbo kit using tubi manifold etc 1.5k max poss less
    2) ecu £500
    3) mapping 2-500
    4) bilstein grp n suspension and faulkners £400?
    5) hispec 4 pots £500
    6) wheels and tyres to go over above £300?
17. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #17 20th July 2009, 14:45

    thanks everyone, well it seems that if i throw 4k at my 8v i may end up wishing i put a 16v in first. rather than having 4k worth of regrets i think ill go for the conversion, just seems the sensible thing todo.
18. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #18 20th July 2009, 16:29

    vts engine
    turbo
    4 pots
    billies.
19. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #19 20th July 2009, 18:36

    4k would get you a built turbo engine I would guess. Would be my choice for sure.
    
    8v with an s1 rallye inlet would be cool.
20. stingray1987 Regular Poster Joined: May 2008 Stoke on Trent Posts: 421

    #20 20th July 2009, 22:47

    im sorry put a downer on it but no vtr with over 100,000miles on it is work 4k being spent on it. sell up and put that ontop of the 4k and get a newer vtr or vts or even a c2. you can pick up an 02plate vtr with decent milage for just over 2k then u got 2k plus wotever u got from the sale from your car to mod it.
21. miamibluebaby Established Member Joined: May 2009 Ellesmere (Shropshire) Posts: 1044 superchared 106 gti

    #21 20th July 2009, 22:49

    boost....
22. sexoturbs Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 luton Posts: 1013 saxo vtr turbo

    #22 21st July 2009, 03:12

    i like you thinking best way to spend your money, my vtr dips into my wages before i do lol FORGE --- TURBO --- their is so much you could do with that amount. make it unique. just make sure you look after it with that millage. for the price of new engine n fitting i would forge it steel conrods... then go crazy!
    
    browse saxperience ask a few questions then ull be away.. be warned a start has no finish.. enjoy
23. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #23 21st July 2009, 06:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stingray1987 im sorry put a downer on it but no vtr with over 100,000miles on it is work 4k being spent on it. sell up and put that ontop of the 4k and get a newer vtr or vts or even a c2. you can pick up an 02plate vtr with decent milage for just over 2k then u got 2k plus wotever u got from the sale from your car to mod it.

    No worries on that one im well aware the engine aint got much life left in it, but the car has. its in tip top condition, ive seen 02 plates looking allot worse than mine. i have no intention on selling her at all just gona give her a new engine and 3k of lovin which she diserves lol.
24. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #24 21st July 2009, 06:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by miamibluebaby boost....

    allways an option, with a younger engine of course! think a 50bhp shot would blow my current engine to pieces.
25. Carlvtr88 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: May 2009 Birmingham Posts: 5801 1.1 106 XN Time, MK2 VTR 01. Ford Focus ST3 CP320

    #25 21st July 2009, 12:56

    i pikked up my Vtr 01 for £1900 with only 44 on it.. which i thought was wonderful lol.. not to mention it was mint condish
26. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

    #26 21st July 2009, 14:15

    This lad on the rally reg WAS selling his engine which made 134bhp at the wheels:
    http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2...ad.php?t=65633
    
    That would be as far as i would take an 8v lump. Plus it was mapped by Sandy alot of people regard him as one of the best.
    
    Hes now trying to sell the whole car, if he dont have any luck he still might break it.
27. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #27 21st July 2009, 14:18

    currently building my ideal 8v engine
28. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #28 21st July 2009, 17:42

    I see a comment about c2s.
    
    No c2 is worth spending money on. Fucking barges
29. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #29 21st July 2009, 18:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan I see a comment about c2s. No c2 is worth spending money on. Fucking barges

    Agreed....
30. PozytroniX Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 Barnstaple Posts: 159 1998 Citreon Saxo VTR 1.6

    #30 21st July 2009, 18:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankie currently building my ideal 8v engine

    care to share your plans buddy?
31. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #31 21st July 2009, 18:17

    I'm not very technical but the idea of a supercharged VTR sounds good to me. I would then invest in a good suspension and brake setup.
32. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #32 21st July 2009, 19:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mieran I'm not very technical but the idea of a supercharged VTR sounds good to me. I would then invest in a good suspension and brake setup.

    wrong way round, should invest in the latter first.
33. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #33 21st July 2009, 19:13

    get a VTS
34. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #34 21st July 2009, 19:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PozytroniX care to share your plans buddy?

    3 plug bottom end.
    s2 rallye head (bigger valves)
    s2 ecu
    newmans ph2 cam
    s1 rallye inlet with vts TB
    BMC
    janspeed fanimold
    supersprint race system
    
    full rebuild on the cylinder head and bottom end.
    
    should be healthy....