apex -35mm problems

20th July 2009, 19:14

anyone bought the above and fitted it to a vtr/s if so did it drop -25mm or did it go down more after a few weeks,i bought the -35mm kit off kam a while back,just wanted to see if anyone has fitted them,before i swap the springs

21st July 2009, 09:52

I have 35mm Apex and they all "lay" down a little bit the first 2 weeks.....

21st July 2009, 10:08

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Originally Posted by neron4o

I have 35mm Apex and they all "lay" down a little bit the first 2 weeks.....

yeah, all new springs and dampers will take a while to settle down if theyre new

21st July 2009, 10:28

As above, most springs and dampers take a week or so to settle in and they drop a little bit

21st July 2009, 10:49

I bought that exact kit from Kam Racing, and have even had confirmation from Kam hiself that the kit lowers the VT models 25mm (the springs codes are the same). The kit states that its a 35mm drom for a Citroen Saxo/Pug 106 and doesnt specify the VT models (nor does it say 'excluding VT models)...so you have got the 25mm springs will lower your car 25mm

21st July 2009, 11:08

Yeah I spoke to a retailer of apex suspension the other day they said that the kits lower the vt model by 10mm less i.e

Apex 60 mm kit
Saxo 1.1 lowers 60mm
Saxo VTR/S lowers 50mm

I had been trying to work out why for ages now but still havent found out why, so I ordered a 60mm kit and it definately lowered it by 50mm not 60mm and that was after it settled.

21st July 2009, 12:09

the engine in the vt models is much bigger and heavyer thus meaning that the 60mm kit comes with 50mm springs for the vtr and vts to compensate for the extra weight.

Meaning it will lower by 60mm on 50mm springs because the engine makes it sit lower same for the 35mm kit comes with 25mm

hope this helps

21st July 2009, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

the engine in the vt models is much bigger and heavyer thus meaning that the 60mm kit comes with 50mm springs for the vtr and vts to compensate for the extra weight.

Meaning it will lower by 60mm on 50mm springs because the engine makes it sit lower same for the 35mm kit comes with 25mm

hope this helps

i too was confused by this chris and couldnt see the logic but paff seems to have cleared it for us

21st July 2009, 12:22

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

the engine in the vt models is much bigger and heavyer thus meaning that the 60mm kit comes with 50mm springs for the vtr and vts to compensate for the extra weight.

Meaning it will lower by 60mm on 50mm springs because the engine makes it sit lower same for the 35mm kit comes with 25mm

hope this helps

No thats not what it says at all ill find it for you, plus the engine in the vtr is no bigger or heavier than in a 1.1/1.4, and you have it the wrong way round and they dont change the springs your talking out of your ass because that is just guess work.

21st July 2009, 12:27

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Originally Posted by mtpagey

i too was confused by this chris and couldnt see the logic but paff seems to have cleared it for us

apex is the only company i no that does this (compensate weight with higher springs) all outher companys that i no that make kits lower what is stated on them so say you brought some spax in 40mm when you put it on it will lower 40mm

But depending how it settles how much your engine weighs how much craps on it etc etc then you could end up with 45-50mm like i said it all depends

personally id go for spax because the shock is much stiffer than the apex and you can get near enouth to whats stated but at the expense of a bumpyer ride.

21st July 2009, 12:29

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

apex is the only company i no that does this (compensate weight with higher springs) all outher companys that i no that make kits lower what is stated on them so say you brought some spax in 40mm when you put it on it will lower 40mm

But depending how it settles how much your engine weighs how much craps on it etc etc then you could end up with 45-50mm like i said it all depends

personally id go for spax because the shock is much stiffer than the apex and you can get near enouth to whats stated but at the expense of a bumpyer ride.

Thats complete bollocks there is nothing you could put in your engine bay that would make your car sit 15mm lower bar a lead weight!

21st July 2009, 12:32

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

No thats not what it says at all ill find it for you, plus the engine in the vtr is no bigger or heavier than in a 1.1/1.4, and you have it the wrong way round and they dont change the springs your talking out of your ass because that is just guess work.

ok lets say just for this topic the driveshafts on vt modles arnt uprated bigger and stronger to compenstae the extra power ok put a 1.1 driveshaft on a vts and let me no how you get on also i quote if you say yes they are bigger and stronger i win you fail ok

21st July 2009, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

ok lets say just for this topic the driveshafts on vt modles arnt uprated bigger and stronger to compenstae the extra power ok put a 1.1 driveshaft on a vts and let me no how you get on also i quote if you say yes they are bigger and stronger i win you fail ok

That has nothing to do with engine weight

21st July 2009, 12:38

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

Thats complete bollocks there is nothing you could put in your engine bay that would make your car sit 15mm lower bar a lead weight!

5-10mm stated have anouther read

21st July 2009, 12:38

And there not all that much bigger anyway

21st July 2009, 12:39

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

That has nothing to do with engine weight

its on the front adding more weight YOU FAIL

Also vt modles have the kit more weight air bags more weight bigger pistons more weight i could go on but i give up talking to a noob

21st July 2009, 12:42

How can you say something you obviously dont know about?
Right this is what I was told by Larkspeed about the apex suspension kits:

Lowers a normal saxo i,e non vt models by the amount the kit states, measured against the standard ride height.
Lowers a VT model by 10mm less than the stated amount on the kit (AND THIS ISNT BECAUSE THEY PUT DIFFERENT SPRINGS IN THE KIT IT IS THE SAME KIT) measured against the standard ride height.

And this explains exactly the problem he is having in the first post that his car has only gone down 25mm not 35mm!!

21st July 2009, 12:44

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

its on the front adding more weight YOU FAIL

So if your theory is right his car should have dropped 45mm not 25mm as it is a 35mm kit with 35mm springs! Who fails?

21st July 2009, 12:50

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

So if your theory is right his car should have dropped 45mm not 25mm as it is a 35mm kit with 35mm springs! Who fails?

because the kit does come with 25mm springs for the vt model may state that its a 35mm kit but YOU DO GET 25MM SPRINGS WHEN ORDERED FOR A VT MODEL you get 35mm when ordering for a 1.1/1.4 hence the whole weight taken in to account thing.

please give up

21st July 2009, 12:52

Rubbish mate absolute rubbish

21st July 2009, 12:54

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

Rubbish mate absolute rubbish

whatever go turn your foglights on.

21st July 2009, 12:58

Haha work it out if your theory is right he would have had to have bought 15mm springs for his car to have only dropped 25mm, and thats rich coming from someone in Essex

21st July 2009, 13:01

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Originally Posted by chriswoodward

Haha work it out if your theory is right he would have had to have bought 15mm springs for his car to have only dropped 25mm, and thats rich coming from someone in Essex

u cnt get 15mm springs and did he say they have bedded in yet?

21st July 2009, 13:03

like your wheels

21st July 2009, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

u cnt get 15mm springs and did he say they have bedded in yet?

Exactly my point idiot, sod it think what you like.

21st July 2009, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

like your wheels

Oh no hitting me where it hurts! My Car boo hoo.

21st July 2009, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Phsyco_Paff

u cnt get 15mm springs and did he say they have bedded in yet?

I bought the kit of Kam Racing, and it specifically said that the kit lowers the Saxo (note that it doesnt say VT models) 35mm...I checked the spring codes and found out the ones being sold with the Apex kit were indedd 25mm and not 35mm. I have bought this up with Kam, and as you can see from this LINK, he has now corrected it.

My Apex kit has been on for around 3 months now, I think thats plenty of time for the springs to settle dont you? And it is still 25mm drop.

I have spoke with Kam about this and we has sorted the problem. I suggest to the original poset to contact Kam to discuss what to do.

21st July 2009, 14:26

To clean up the issue.

The VTR and VTS come lowered from the factory.
This is why the kit lowers the cars less than the lesser specced models.
Engine weight has been already factored in.

Most higher quality springs do not settle anymore as they made with more advanced processes than 10 years ago. Off the top of my head they are heat treated to settle them in the factory so what they say they will lower is usually correct, though I could be wrong on the exact process.

21st July 2009, 14:36

i always buy the apex 50mm springs been fine both times

21st July 2009, 14:40

all i can say is that my -35mm apex kit part number 70-4000 has lowered the front of my saxo by about 25mm. i was told i could have 1 or 2 inch drop . but the part number will be the same except suitable springs will be in there dependant on my vehicle.

21st July 2009, 15:53

So basically the -35mm will ONLY lower my car(vtr)by 25mm.I spoke to Kev who said i could swap the springs for the 50mm,but i dont want to go that far.Surely it cant be that hard for apex to sort a spring out?

22nd July 2009, 12:11

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

To clean up the issue.

The VTR and VTS come lowered from the factory.
This is why the kit lowers the cars less than the lesser specced models.
Engine weight has been already factored in.

Most higher quality springs do not settle anymore as they made with more advanced processes than 10 years ago. Off the top of my head they are heat treated to settle them in the factory so what they say they will lower is usually correct, though I could be wrong on the exact process.

Thank you, my point exactly.