cost of a fitting a vts lump?

22nd July 2009, 11:01

does anyone know of how much dropping a vts lump or even a 106 gti lump in my vtr would cost? i seen alot of you have already done it and ive kinda had this planned from the start when i bought the car wen i save up enough money and wot not? by the way considering i am no mechanic or any clue with engines so it would all have to be professionally.. thanks alot guys lee...

22nd July 2009, 11:06

upto £400 labour.

22nd July 2009, 11:28

ahh cool and could i go to any garage for them to do??

22nd July 2009, 11:49

Yes I suppose, but id look for a garage that's done it before. Or does some form of tuning as they will be more experienced.

Also make sure you get the Ignition barrel, transponder and key with the engine you buy so you can unlock the ECU.

22nd July 2009, 12:01

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Originally Posted by Ste

Yes I suppose, but id look for a garage that's done it before. Or does some form of tuning as they will be more experienced.

Also make sure you get the Ignition barrel, transponder and key with the engine you buy so you can unlock the ECU.

You dont need the ignition barrel and the trasponder. If you get an unlocked ECU then your key will work

I paid a mate £200 to put mine in. He is a mechanic and done a vts conversion before.

Can buy mine already done if ya want

22nd July 2009, 12:30

sparco tom will do it for £250 if you get all the right bits

22nd July 2009, 12:34

I could do it, not far from you either. Depends when you want it done. Can source parts new and used pretty cheap too

22nd July 2009, 13:49

Ive been looking into this myself and ive found that we are looking at arond 800. 400 for the engine and 400 labour. But hopfully one of these nice SaxP people will sort you out on the cheap. Let us know how you get on.

22nd July 2009, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Tom

You dont need the ignition barrel and the trasponder. If you get an unlocked ECU then your key will work

I paid a mate £200 to put mine in. He is a mechanic and done a vts conversion before.

Can buy mine already done if ya want

There is that aswell but cheaper to unlock your own. Or buy a locked one and unlock it on someone elses car VTS.

22nd July 2009, 14:05

it would be cheaper to fit the 1.9gti 205 engine and pulls well in the saxo

22nd July 2009, 14:15

not heard of anyone running the 1.9 engine, info and pics pleasee!

me and mate took my gti engine out with a scaffold bar lol was tricky and its a heavy bugger but it did the job! if your doing sumit like this then take the top gearbox mount off completely before lifting it out, makes life so much easier

22nd July 2009, 14:23

yeah its been done mate, think it went in to a vtr shell, al try get some info on

22nd July 2009, 14:23

My brother is doing his VTR/S conversion and its cost him well into 4 digits now.

The thing is, whilst the engine is out you get tempted to rebuild it and make it mint. As its alot easier to do it all whilst the engine is out the car than in. Such as cambelt, other belts, water pump, full service.

Also while hes in the process of doing it all hes bought cams and is looking into throttle bodies.

I mean you could do it on budget and get a VTS engine and just fit it. It will put a smile on your face. But having a proper coversion set up with a half (i say half because if it was me i would of got the internals uprated) rebuilt engine that is going to last you many of years and be reliable will put an even bigger smile on your face.

Also bare in mind if your going to be giving it some thrashing whilst your putting your bigger engine in you should uprate the brakes and suspension. No point in having a saxo that can go fast in a straight line, might aswell buy a corsa if your after that (heh).

Cheapest way of doing it is selling your VTR and simply buying a VTS. This is what i would do if i was you. If you have big pockets i'd recommend doing what my brothers doing and do it all properly. I keep telling him to make a progress thread

He's spent thousands on his saxo and no one on this websites seen it yet.

22nd July 2009, 14:28

lmao, im looking to do this, have found a gti engine for £100 but tempted to spend time doing the engine up while it is out of the car...

22nd July 2009, 14:31

i have to agree what is the point in spending 400 quid on all the vts bits u need and 400 quid labour ,to put a vts engine in a vtr people say my vtr has 150 bhp cammed ect no it is really a vts u just payed a shit load of money out when as said above u could sell the vtr and buy a vts and save a shit load of money and hassle

22nd July 2009, 14:36

search for a bargain vts engine and research doing the work yourself or sell up and get a vts really

22nd July 2009, 14:43

I spent 2k on my conversion just in parts lol. Uprated/replaced everything. Dont see the point of running the old 205 lumps though the VTS lumps just a more modern version of them and is a straight fit

22nd July 2009, 16:16

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Originally Posted by Paul

My brother is doing his VTR/S conversion and its cost him well into 4 digits now.

The thing is, whilst the engine is out you get tempted to rebuild it and make it mint. As its alot easier to do it all whilst the engine is out the car than in. Such as cambelt, other belts, water pump, full service.

Also while hes in the process of doing it all hes bought cams and is looking into throttle bodies.

I mean you could do it on budget and get a VTS engine and just fit it. It will put a smile on your face. But having a proper coversion set up with a half (i say half because if it was me i would of got the internals uprated) rebuilt engine that is going to last you many of years and be reliable will put an even bigger smile on your face.

Also bare in mind if your going to be giving it some thrashing whilst your putting your bigger engine in you should uprate the brakes and suspension. No point in having a saxo that can go fast in a straight line, might aswell buy a corsa if your after that (heh).

Cheapest way of doing it is selling your VTR and simply buying a VTS. This is what i would do if i was you. If you have big pockets i'd recommend doing what my brothers doing and do it all properly. I keep telling him to make a progress thread

He's spent thousands on his saxo and no one on this websites seen it yet.

you're not brians brother are you?

22nd July 2009, 16:22

you can still get a few low miles 1.9 gti engines and go in pretty easy and tune up quite nice but yeah i agree the vts are good engines

22nd July 2009, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Tom

You dont need the ignition barrel and the trasponder. If you get an unlocked ECU then your key will work

I paid a mate £200 to put mine in. He is a mechanic and done a vts conversion before.

Can buy mine already done if ya want

i cant see this page mate as i havent got 100 posts yet or a premium member sorry anyother way of showing pics?

22nd July 2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

I could do it, not far from you either. Depends when you want it done. Can source parts new and used pretty cheap too

ahh cool where abouts are you then? and it wouldnt be for a while as im prety skint atm like but wen i do get the cash i definately want it done

22nd July 2009, 18:21

Bristol, so not that far to travel over either way mate. Ive done my own conversion, know saxos literally inside out, Ill get the job done properly and wont bodge anything.

22nd July 2009, 18:22

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

I spent 2k on my conversion just in parts lol. Uprated/replaced everything. Dont see the point of running the old 205 lumps though the VTS lumps just a more modern version of them and is a straight fit

i agree wit you mate if i was to fit an engine in it would be the vts as its more modern.. but i aint got 2k to spend on parts and wot not but if i did i probly would work on the engine before it went in my vtr as everyone else said it would be easyer n stuff but it wont be for a while so we'll jus have to see wot happens

22nd July 2009, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Bristol, so not that far to travel over either way mate. Ive done my own conversion, know saxos literally inside out, Ill get the job done properly and wont bodge anything.

cool sounds good you a mechanic then or? and like i said before skint as fuck at the mo but jus doin research up n till i get the cash n as for everyone else saying jus to buy a vts and sell my vtr i dnt really want to do that as i like my car n its colour and its got fuck all wrong wit it (scratches and dents wot not)

22nd July 2009, 18:28

Most things you can uprate later anyway, its just easiest to do it all in one go. I did everything from engine mount to a new exhaust system.

Can get lumps and boxes wit the loom and an ECU for 300 nowadays. I wouldnt personally fit a second hand engine without at least changing the cambelt and tensioner/idler which is another £80, and Id prob do the headgasket too depending on mileage but its all upto you mate, depends on your plans for the car really

Im not a mechanic mate no, but im pretty handy with a spanner. Rebuilding two engines in my garage at the mo, and Ive changed every component on my car.

And yeah thats why I did it too, problem with going out and buying a new car is that with your current one you know every inch of it, whats in greta nick and whats not. With a new one you could get lucky and buy a minter, but its very possible youll buy a dog thats been prettied up for sale. Lot of my mates have had that happen, and not stupid mates either.

22nd July 2009, 18:42

yea exactly i think i mite av ad similar wit mine i know myself its not working to its 100% way but i can live wit that atm untill i get cash n stuf n wit a new engine jus put in it i know where i stand then if a pro or sumone like yaself was to do it n knows all there shit, and i think if i was to do it im not one to do it half done id do it prperly n change belts/ tensioner and idle jusso i know its all good like, plus im planning on spraying the bottom part of my car the gun metal grey colour ya see on some vtrs cos imo they look sweet so i wanna keep the silver i got lol

22nd July 2009, 18:45

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Most things you can uprate later anyway, its just easiest to do it all in one go. I did everything from engine mount to a new exhaust system.

Can get lumps and boxes wit the loom and an ECU for 300 nowadays. I wouldnt personally fit a second hand engine without at least changing the cambelt and tensioner/idler which is another £80, and Id prob do the headgasket too depending on mileage but its all upto you mate, depends on your plans for the car really

Im not a mechanic mate no, but im pretty handy with a spanner. Rebuilding two engines in my garage at the mo, and Ive changed every component on my car.

And yeah thats why I did it too, problem with going out and buying a new car is that with your current one you know every inch of it, whats in greta nick and whats not. With a new one you could get lucky and buy a minter, but its very possible youll buy a dog thats been prettied up for sale. Lot of my mates have had that happen, and not stupid mates either.

Fair play to ya Ben_saxo you talk some sense, Twin1985 im in exactly the same position as you. and what Ben_saxo just said says it all. i dont wanna sell my vtr cuz i love her and i know all the bits are sound. i just wanna put a bigger engine in my little baby, and throttle boddies, and cams and this and that and everything else i keep coming across lol. Cant afford it all....damn it.
Ben_saxo when ya got some space in ya garage could ya do my conversion too hehe i aint that far from you either.

22nd July 2009, 18:47

lol so how much would you charge me anyway for fitting the lump jus out of interest?? only thing is thou if i buy a vts engine how am i guna know if it is as sweet as the seller makes out n the millage wot not? thats wot im quite dubiouse about tbh wit ya

22nd July 2009, 19:31

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Originally Posted by twin1985

yea exactly i think i mite av ad similar wit mine i know myself its not working to its 100% way but i can live wit that atm untill i get cash n stuf n wit a new engine jus put in it i know where i stand then if a pro or sumone like yaself was to do it n knows all there shit, and i think if i was to do it im not one to do it half done id do it prperly n change belts/ tensioner and idle jusso i know its all good like, plus im planning on spraying the bottom part of my car the gun metal grey colour ya see on some vtrs cos imo they look sweet so i wanna keep the silver i got lol

lol so how much would you charge me anyway for fitting the lump jus out of interest?? only thing is thou if i buy a vts engine how am i guna know if it is as sweet as the seller makes out n the millage wot not? thats wot im quite dubiouse about tbh wit ya

Fair play, its deffo the way to do it just whacking an engine you know nowt about is asking for trouble. Cool, that would look great on a MK1 Ive never seen it on anything other than a MK2 before.

Could do it for £250 plus petrol money to yours if necessary which will be no more than £25 at the very most

Can also get all servicing parts and assemblies before I leave at trade price, so will be very cheap.

That part you can never be fully sound on, theres always an element of risk. But you can reduce that risk by buying from the right people, adverts with little to no info are a no go. If they can confidently answer every question you have youve got a good chance its a good one. Plus as youll be rightly changing the timing belt etc anyway theres not an awful lot that dcan go wrong after that. Like I said I can help you source one when the times comes

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Originally Posted by PozytroniX

Fair play to ya Ben_saxo you talk some sense, Twin1985 im in exactly the same position as you. and what Ben_saxo just said says it all. i dont wanna sell my vtr cuz i love her and i know all the bits are sound. i just wanna put a bigger engine in my little baby, and throttle boddies, and cams and this and that and everything else i keep coming across lol. Cant afford it all....damn it.
Ben_saxo when ya got some space in ya garage could ya do my conversion too hehe i aint that far from you either.

Cheers matey

. And yeah that would be fine with me too,when you thinking of doing it? Your about 80 miles from me which is cool, would probs cost me 30 in petrol.

Both will have to be sorted out in advance, Im free a lot at the moment but thats because of the rebuild, when thats done Ill be getting my job back and starting Uni again soon too so will have to make sure theres a date we can work with

Will only take me a weekend, possibly even just a day if all goes well and nothings overly seized up, to get the conversion done.

22nd July 2009, 19:51

sounds awsome n cheers fo the confidence boost in spraying bottom half of car had also thought i aint seen a mrk 1 in that colour and as i want to be different n stuff it be good also planning on sanding dwn n spraying my wheels black too which isnt not so common but i think it would look sweet as f*** lol butyea deffinately all sounds good to me and jus cant wait to get the money together and get it done, so you would be able to check the engine out wit me and wot not before purchasing it then isit?

22nd July 2009, 19:57

Yeah fair play, would look spot on. Like them a lot on gunmetal alloys too, to match the bodywork.

Yeah deffo, just let me know when your wanting this done and Ill keep an eye out for a good one for you mate

22nd July 2009, 20:06

cheers mate nice one, jus got to get cash sorted times are hard at the mo wit this fricken credit crunch shit,, if all goes well n start saving soon as ill give you a shout mate lol

22nd July 2009, 20:14

Yeah thats cool mate, just drop me a PM whenever

22nd July 2009, 20:18

oh jus one last thing how would i go about insuring it? would you jus fone ya insurer ya with now or would ya jus search for as new insuerer and find betta price classing the vehicle as a 1997 vts or would i haveto tell them it was a 97 vtr but now a vts?? bit confused see lol

22nd July 2009, 21:57

You send off the V5 and get it changed to a VTS, then just insure it as a VTS mate

22nd July 2009, 22:03

cool cool jus so i know for future ref, would i still place it under the same year then or?

22nd July 2009, 22:04

oh also you done any work on anyone elses car on here?

23rd July 2009, 01:01

Year doesnt change mate, its still the same year of original registration that counts.

And yeah worked on a few lads cars on here, a lot of cars off here too. Kept 4 mates at Uni's cars alive aswell this year lol, saw me working on my car and I got roped in whenever they needed something doing.

Im a very trustworthy guy, will let you know whats happening at every stage. In the extremely unlikely event I break something Ill pay for it out of my own pocket too.

23rd July 2009, 01:04

Good replies ben

Yeah LeeM i'm brians brother. I wish you kept that bloody engine crane (if it was you who borrowed it), taking up pure room in the garage lol.

His cars nearly done, he just needs to do accellerator cable.

Hes got all the blue hoses (spoox i think) and chrome bits in his engine bay. Hes got leather interior on the inside, and outside is pretty much standard. So its a beast under the bonnet, subtle and luxury inside and standardish on the outside. I'm currently spraying his morrettes for him.

23rd July 2009, 01:11

Cheerz maaaaan.

Your bros car sounds epic. Deffo get him to post it up, not many people do everything properly, although more and more are now like.

Im fed up of havng the car off the road due to my shenanigans lol, building up a high spec lump in my garage with all the best parts and fitting a slightly tuned one into the car to tide me over. It sounds gay but its kinda cool having an engine in the garage on its own stand that you can tweak to perfection. Its like being a big kid lol

23rd July 2009, 01:16

I've always wanted to have a VTS engine on a stand in my garage that i can spend my money on instead of spending it on my car and having the car off the road.

Unfortunately i'm looking into leaving the saxo scene now, i've had 5 VTR's in the last couple years lol.

You got a progress thread mate? Would love to read it.

23rd July 2009, 01:19

Yeah exactly, its awesome. So much easier out of the car.

Thats fair enough yeah youve been through a fair few, remember when you had that one that was on its ASS back in the day lol.

I have mate yeah, Im afraid theres a bit of moaning in there on my part, get a bit pissed off with the thing sometimes lol, but the conversions in there and whatnot;

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62827

23rd July 2009, 01:21

Lol yeah.

Alright i'll have a read

Thanks

23rd July 2009, 01:22

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Originally Posted by Paul

Good replies ben

Yeah LeeM i'm brians brother. I wish you kept that bloody engine crane (if it was you who borrowed it), taking up pure room in the garage lol.

His cars nearly done, he just needs to do accellerator cable.

Hes got all the blue hoses (spoox i think) and chrome bits in his engine bay. Hes got leather interior on the inside, and outside is pretty much standard. So its a beast under the bonnet, subtle and luxury inside and standardish on the outside. I'm currently spraying his morrettes for him.

yeah it was me who had it.
his engine bay looks good but the gti leathers are pink

23rd July 2009, 02:29

Lol yeah hes got another set in the garage though.

I kicked the crane the other week when he brought it back as i was pissed off with it taking up all the room. It resulted in a very sore foot and a unwounded crane.

27th July 2009, 11:54

im not a macanic and this is my first frence car and i did myne on my own just got an auto elec to pick my wiring and that only cost me £20. myne is now compleate and cost me a total of £395.67

28th July 2009, 00:53

thats not bad then to say you can do it all for less than 400quid.

28th July 2009, 02:32

I fit vts engines,for around £250 all in..............

28th July 2009, 02:45

Where you getting your engines and cambelts from at that price mate lol!

28th July 2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Where you getting your engines and cambelts from at that price mate lol!

i have a mate with i dismantelers licence so can get engines cheap myne even came with £2000 worth of recepts

29th July 2009, 15:54

Fair play mate, thats good times. Helps to know people, Im always calling in favours lol.

But I meant SaxoKid100, thats a mental price youd make a loss on that

29th July 2009, 16:20

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Originally Posted by saxokid100

I fit vts engines,for around £250 all in..............

wot you mean all in?/