98hp 8v which -manifold- w/o relocating oil filter?

1. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

   #1 23rd July 2009, 13:36

   nearly as long as i've had my car (mk2 vtr 98hp x reg '01) i've had problems with my exaust system. back box blows, on my 3rd cat under the warrenty from the garage. all of it is in good condition surprisingly except the manifold that is blowing and orange from the rust...
   
   so i want to get a new manifold..
   
   but from reading on here with some you have to relocate the oil filter.
   
   i'm wondering is there any sports manifold either 4-1 or 4-2-1 that you can fit without having to relocate the oil filter? just i can't be bothered with going through the hassle of having to do this...
2. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #2 23rd July 2009, 13:38

   supersprint with 2 gaskets just clears it i think
3. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

   #3 23rd July 2009, 13:42

   cheers lee just had a look on kam-racing on the 4-2-1 supersprint http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...106-8v-14.html and it says here that:
   
   

   Quote:

   Made from premium quality stainless steel its a flawless fit and gives a sporty but none offensive exhaust note along with a reduction in back pressure and legendary durability. NB: This manifold will fit the mk1 and mk2 versions of the VTR. There are no clearance issues with the later model cat and oil filter.

   shame that it is nearly twice as much as a raceland...
4. Aly Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2007 Sunderland Posts: 10341

   #4 23rd July 2009, 13:42

   Piper 4-1.
   
   It cleared the Oil filter and my VTR made 111hp with it on the dyno.
5. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #5 23rd July 2009, 13:44

   GMC SS jobbie ftw imo.
6. woody813 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Shrewsbury Posts: 351 Red Mk1 Vtr- Slammed.

   #6 23rd July 2009, 13:44

   mk1 or mk2? do you get this problem on the mk1 too? sorry if im butting in... but looking into replacing my vtr exhaust....
7. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #7 23rd July 2009, 13:45

   Do you know that will de-cat your car btw?
   
   Makes MOT time fun even though a Mk1 VTR exhaust will work.
8. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

   #8 23rd July 2009, 13:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by woody813 mk1 or mk2? do you get this problem on the mk1 too? sorry if im butting in... but looking into replacing my vtr exhaust....

   Only Mk2 afaik.
9. kistigun Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Weert NL Posts: 713 Citroen Saxo 1.4 VTS MK2 2000 TU3JP

   #9 23rd July 2009, 13:46

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LeeM supersprint with 2 gaskets just clears it i think

   supersprint will always fit, the raceland are the ones that wont fit proper and need oilfilter relocation. The diiferents between a 421 and 41 is that 41 has more gain at the top end and the gain of a 421 is even spread across the revs. remeber if your oem mani has a cat in it a aftermarket mani will decat the system and it wont pass mot.
10. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #10 23rd July 2009, 13:54

    but the janspeed manifold comes with a sports cat so it will still pass the mot? http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...o-vtr-998.html but it doesn't say on there it will clear the oil filter? does anyone know if the janspeed will clear the oil filter? else it would be perfect as it has a sports cat?
11. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #11 23rd July 2009, 14:07

    absolutely no point paying out that much money to still have a cat, you just wont benefit from it!
    supersprint is twice as much as the raceland yeah thats your option, pay the extra or spend 20 minutes moving the oil filter
12. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #12 23rd July 2009, 14:12

    Aftermarket manifold on the later VTRs (with CAT in mani) makes a very healthy difference.
    
    Supersprint just clears the later style oil filter with multiple manifold to head gaskets fitted.
    Piper/ GMC 4-1 is a very good fit - definitely worth the extra money.
13. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #13 23rd July 2009, 17:13

    although i do have a brand new cat i would much rather have a manifold that comes with a sports cat so its mot legal as the mot is in november plus the janspeed seems a lot cheaper was well which is more tempting. i appreciate though that it won't have near as much power as a decat but if it's cheaper and road legal....
    
    i know it was mentioned that the raceland was the one that you have to relocate the oil filter and the rest are ok but is there any confirmation on the janspeed 4-2-1 with the sports cat model is it a good fit and you don't have to relocate the oil filter?
    
    cheers for help so far
14. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #14 23rd July 2009, 20:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lukeyyyyyyy21 but the janspeed manifold comes with a sports cat so it will still pass the mot? http://www.kamracing.co.uk/manufactu...o-vtr-998.html but it doesn't say on there it will clear the oil filter? does anyone know if the janspeed will clear the oil filter? else it would be perfect as it has a sports cat?

    the janspeed with the sports cat is designed specifically for the mk2.
    
    no clearance issues at all
15. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #15 23rd July 2009, 20:27

    thanks kam
16. The_Notorious_C_A_T Established Member Joined: May 2007 Near Inverurie (kind of...) Posts: 2303 Twingo Silverstone

    #16 23rd July 2009, 20:36

    there's a raceland for the mk2 ones now, although only ever seen them on ebay from tuning leader.
    
    Anyone ever heard any reviews of them?
    
    Although it's a 4-1 rather than a 4-2-1
17. iainbig Infrequent Poster Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 152

    #17 24th July 2009, 15:16

    link???
18. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #18 24th July 2009, 15:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by The_Notorious_C_A_T there's a raceland for the mk2 ones now, although only ever seen them on ebay from tuning leader. Anyone ever heard any reviews of them? Although it's a 4-1 rather than a 4-2-1

    we've sold a couple of the raceland 4-1s but not had any feedback yet on fitment and performance
19. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #19 24th July 2009, 15:33

    I have a janspeed mani on my mk2. I could def tell the difference. Getting it RR'd as soon as I get my nitrous fitted. Ill let you know the power
20. GoGs_MacAulay Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Angus Posts: 668 02 Saxo Vts

    #20 24th July 2009, 17:14

    pic of my piper witch misses the oil filter and its for sale http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=225510
21. user_31700 Regular Poster Joined: Mar 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 375 Citroen Saxo Vtr Mk2 52 Plate

    #21 19th September 2009, 00:11

    so which mani gives the best performance for a mk2? in your opinions
22. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

    #22 19th September 2009, 00:14

    Mate at the end of the day it is for a 100bhp car and the differences between them will be negligible.
    
    I am happy with my GMC but wouldn't recommend the hassle of changing.
23. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #23 25th September 2009, 01:36

    got the janspeed 4-2-1 with sports cat in the end as didn't want the hassle of changing over for mot definately gave a lot more torque and did feel quicker as my old one used to blow but whether it gave it little if any horses if another matter got it as it was cheaper than going to citroen.
24. Bryan91 Newbie Joined: Sep 2009 Ireland Posts: 19

    #24 26th September 2009, 13:37

    Em is it a big job moving the oil filter??...
25. Bryan91 Newbie Joined: Sep 2009 Ireland Posts: 19

    #25 26th September 2009, 13:59

    Also does anyone no about if this one will clear.....http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-8...d=p3286.c0.m14
26. chippy_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Duston, Northampton Posts: 206 52 Silver Vtr Mk2

    #26 26th September 2009, 14:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bryan91 Em is it a big job moving the oil filter??...

    no it aint a bit job at all it dont take long to do either
27. richy_t_123 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts

    #27 26th September 2009, 14:24

    i would also like 2 no if that will fit from the ebay link?? ^^^^
28. Bryan91 Newbie Joined: Sep 2009 Ireland Posts: 19

    #28 26th September 2009, 14:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by chippy_vtr no it aint a bit job at all it dont take long to do either

    Is that what most people do?
29. user_257 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2003 Kent Posts: 3994

    #29 26th September 2009, 14:53

    I didn't move my oil filter.
    
    I wouldn't buy the ebay one.
30. richy_t_123 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 newcastle Posts: 980 2002 silver vts

    #30 26th September 2009, 14:55

    air filter??? its the oil filter ppl have been talkin about lol
31. charlie106 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Derby Posts: 370 Icelandic grey VTR

    #31 18th October 2009, 13:01

    luke would you recommend the janspeed as my standard mani is blowing same as yours?
    
    looking at this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-VTR-MANIF...#ht_3042wt_939
    
    or might just replace with standard cat as its alot cheaper :http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-1...a#ht_709wt_939
32. Macca158 Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 leicester Posts: 568 mk 2 mauritius vtr and now a mk2 white vts :)

    #32 4th April 2010, 19:53

    Can any 1 send a link on a how to do guide on moving the oil filter!!!
33. stingray1987 Regular Poster Joined: May 2008 Stoke on Trent Posts: 421

    #33 4th April 2010, 20:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by charlie106 luke would you recommend the janspeed as my standard mani is blowing same as yours? looking at this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SAXO-VTR-MANIF...#ht_3042wt_939 or might just replace with standard cat as its alot cheaper :http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-SAXO-1...a#ht_709wt_939

    do not buy the cheap cats off ebay. i had one for my old saxo and had nothing but trouble with it. they look a different colour inside aswell.
    
    i made the smae mistake on my corsa aswell and that failed its mot and then passed after borring a mates cat. so they are a waste of money and will put ur engine light on as the mk2 have a sensor before and after the cat.