throttle bodies

1. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #1 24th July 2009, 09:23

   does anyone have a list of the bits you will need to fit bodies to my vts
   they will be bike bodies due to the cost, i need to know the best bike bodies to get and as said a list of bits.
   thanks alot
2. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

   #2 24th July 2009, 09:35

   Bike bodies are a step back mate. You can't run digital fuel injection with them and they have to be set up very very well to see and decent sort of gains. Whereas throttle boddies are run by an ecu.
   For a proper throttle bodies set up you'll need:
   
   Throttle bodies
   Inlet manifold
   Injectors
   Fuel Rail
   FPR
   And a good ecu and map to get it all running smoothly
   Im sure theres something ive forgotten that someone will add. Try to go for dedicated throttle bodies instead of bike bodies if your looking at doing it properly as they will give much better gains / smoother power through the range aswell.
3. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #3 24th July 2009, 10:02

   the bodies from GMC are pretty much plug and play, just need an ecu from predator or something similar and i'd chuck a set of cams in while youre at it
4. Harv Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2007 Mold Posts: 2936 EP3 Civic Type R

   #4 24th July 2009, 14:08

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by MR_N Bike bodies are a step back mate. You can't run digital fuel injection with them and they have to be set up very very well to see and decent sort of gains. Whereas throttle boddies are run by an ecu.

   Your thinking of bike carbs mate. Bike bodies ARE run by an ECU, just like your usual throttle bodies such as Jenvey, ATPower etc.
   
   I agree bike bodies probably aren't as good as proper throttle bodies but they are no means bad by a long way! If you look on rallye-reg, loads of people have the Sandy Brown setup and it does look like a good setup, especially for 8v's. Results may be a bit inaccurate or over exagerated but many have seen 170+ using bike bodies on a VTS engine. And Hank's VTS engine is proven at 193bhp using bike bodies, all be it a fairly high spec'd engine.
   
   For bike bodies you need: -
   - GSXR 1000 K1 + K2 (2001 and 2002) bodies (42mm inlet iirc)
   - Colin Satchel / Sandy Brown inlet manifold
   - Some form of injectors
   - ECU setup - Predator ECU??
   - Some form of cams
   
   And then it all needs to be setup - that's the basics anyhow, don't think i've missed anything off but
5. WestyVTR Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2004 Gosport Posts: 3140 saxo VTR, Clio 1.2 turbo, prious, Kawasaki 363 nin

   #5 24th July 2009, 22:33

   this sound interesting and most parts i could get from the scrappy... worth considering this for my little lady... Hmmm
   
   bodies sound lush...!
6. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #6 25th July 2009, 12:26

   thanks for all the info lads, thats great
   this sandy brown bloke is canny hard to get a hold of, he seems to be the boy for this sort of carry on.
   if anyone knows of anyone selling there throttle bodies can you please let me know
   cheers
7. GroomGTI Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Yorkshire. Posts: 1748 White 106 Gti

   #7 25th July 2009, 19:43

   you could just buy some DTH throttle boddies ( KMS or At power) fit them and go to chipwizards to map them. Job sorted.
8. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

   #8 26th July 2009, 09:31

   Geordie ive got sandys number - will text you it shortly
9. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #9 26th July 2009, 12:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxo_ron Geordie ive got sandys number - will text you it shortly

   cheers mate
10. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

    #10 26th July 2009, 12:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by GroomGTI you could just buy some DTH throttle boddies ( KMS or At power) fit them and go to chipwizards to map them. Job sorted.

    do they come as a kit with the inlet etc?
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 26th July 2009, 12:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geordie555 do they come as a kit with the inlet etc?

    DTH means Direct to head.
    
    You dont have an inlet manifold. they are 1 piece.

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12. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

    #12 27th July 2009, 08:50

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan DTH means Direct to head. You dont have an inlet manifold. they are 1 piece.

    how much are these, why would people bother with the inlet side of things
    i take it they must be expensive
13. user_22749 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2008 N.Wales Posts: 7746 e46 M Sport

    #13 27th July 2009, 11:41

    Sorry for thread hi-jack!
    
    Ive been told by my mechanic that he has a set of R6 throttle bodies and he can fit them for me if i want.
    Do i NEED a standalone ECU/Predator ECU to run them or can them be run on the standard ECU??
14. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #14 27th July 2009, 11:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geordie555 how much are these, why would people bother with the inlet side of things i take it they must be expensive

    The inlet is usually used as an adapter. A company IE Jenvey makes a set of throttle bodies in different sizes and the bolt spacings are all the same. Then they just make the inlet to suit the car. So throttle bodies fitted to a corsa 1.6 will be the exact same as the saxo but the inlet will be different.
    
    The DTH ones use a tract to make up for the missing inlet space used to flow the air magically like TB's do.
15. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

    #15 28th July 2009, 19:22

    im going for the dth bodies, just seems alot easier and not that much more tbh, hope its going to be worth it!
16. Thecherry0121 Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Great Barr Posts: 1489 Cherry red 106 GTi

    #16 28th July 2009, 19:46

    will be all good
17. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #17 28th July 2009, 19:48

    big thread on ssc atm regarding a group buy GMC are planning on doing
    
    saxosteve has some of them all ready iirc.
    
    Dont think he is on schax-p.
    
    Kit is all ready to go bar you will need a management system and it mapping.
18. Thecherry0121 Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Great Barr Posts: 1489 Cherry red 106 GTi

    #18 28th July 2009, 20:25

    Im the one who has organised the group buy through gmc
19. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

    #19 28th July 2009, 21:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Thecherry0121 Im the one who has organised the group buy through gmc

    Ae there details of group buy on this site mate? Also do you know if anyone ahs a set of these fitted and mapped?
20. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #20 28th July 2009, 21:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Steve_VTS big thread on ssc atm regarding a group buy GMC are planning on doing saxosteve has some of them all ready iirc. Dont think he is on schax-p. Kit is all ready to go bar you will need a management system and it mapping.

    steves engine will also have no relevance on 99% of people on this forum, with the results we will see