anyone got throttle bodies on a standard ecu??

1. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #1 3rd August 2009, 11:13

   has anyone got throttle bodies on a vts and a standard mapped ecu?
   if so what is it really like? any performance figs.
   thanks
2. Daniel09 Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 N.wales! Posts: 1024 slammed VTS

   #2 3rd August 2009, 11:14

   you need a aftermarket ecu really, other than that you need to get your current ecu unlocked and specially mapped
   
   you better off with a standalone aswell
3. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #3 3rd August 2009, 11:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Daniel09 you need a aftermarket ecu really, other than that you need to get your current ecu unlocked and specially mapped you better off with a standalone aswell

   i just wanted to know if anyone has had there standard one mapped i.e chipwizards. they say they can do it but wouldnt mind speaking to someone who has already done it. its going to save me getting a loom etc
4. Daniel09 Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 N.wales! Posts: 1024 slammed VTS

   #4 3rd August 2009, 11:29

   i think there are 1 or 2 people on here actually...
   
   but it can be done, just you will get better results from an aftermarket
   
   think about it like this
   
   you get what you pay for
   
   standard ECU: good results but wont get perfect mapping to go with the boddies
   aftermarket: can be mapped perfectly for the boddies giving great results
5. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

   #5 3rd August 2009, 11:57

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Daniel09 i think there are 1 or 2 people on here actually... but it can be done, just you will get better results from an aftermarket think about it like this you get what you pay for standard ECU: good results but wont get perfect mapping to go with the boddies aftermarket: can be mapped perfectly for the boddies giving great results

   i know, its all £££
   wish i had lots of it! thanks for your input mate
6. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #6 4th August 2009, 20:04

   i was going to ask this question aswell. can anyone else help. other than helpful daniel
7. makaveli144 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Burton Posts: 3661 Alfa Romeo GT

   #7 4th August 2009, 20:06

   No one on here has it done as far as I am aware, there are 1 or 2 people who have done it but not on here.
8. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #8 4th August 2009, 20:08

   as yet no one has answered with how many load sites are being used on a 'modified' Oe ecu, until they do so I personally wouldnt be using one.
   
   Half of the load sites over a decent aftermarket for example can mean a pretty shit map
   
   + with the predator being P+P you dont need a loom modification
9. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #9 4th August 2009, 20:12

   in english please. i speak freaky deeky dutch. lol. what you mean by the predator
10. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #10 4th August 2009, 20:27

    Check the predator section abouve kamRacings section on the forum home, everythings explained in there
    
    its an ECU
11. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

    #11 4th August 2009, 20:30

    yes and 167 bhp @fly
12. geordie555 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 505 saxo vts

    #12 5th August 2009, 08:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gouldy87 yes and 167 bhp @fly

    is that off a pred? what cams you got?
13. Ste Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2007 Yorkshire Posts: 5415 Saxo

    #13 5th August 2009, 09:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by geordie555 is that off a pred? what cams you got?

    PH3's
    
    EDIT: My message is not too short because ive added this shit.
14. GroomGTI Established Member Joined: Oct 2007 Yorkshire. Posts: 1748 White 106 Gti

    #14 5th August 2009, 21:29

    rickyp has it done and his rallye is fast.
    Im getting my boddies mapped on 24th. How dose anyone no a aftermarket ecu is better?
    wayne did mention how many load sites etc i think it was 11 and 22 but will find out for deffinat.
15. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #15 6th August 2009, 09:44

    i ran my r6 bodies on o/e management, my mate mapped the ecu for free as a tempory measure until standalone got paid for.
    was abit lumpy here and there but it got the car able to drive when i needed it to
16. Longy0710VTR L-plater Joined: Nov 2006 Sheffield!!! Posts: 37 Saxo MK2 VTR (black)

    #16 6th August 2009, 18:49

    nice mk1 matey
17. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

    #17 6th August 2009, 18:57

    When people say standard ecu do they mean with a piggyback (dastek etc.) Always confuses me as thats what iv got and is that sufficient for bodies?
18. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #18 6th August 2009, 19:03

    i didnt use anyform of piggyback, straight up o/e with a map
    
    then got my emerald
19. craigy_87 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2006 Wishaw United Kingdom (Scotland) Posts: 7326 Nissan 350z

    #19 6th August 2009, 19:18

    i've seen a gti-6/xsara vts engine using standard ecu
    
    thread here
    http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthr...=104582&page=1
20. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #20 7th August 2009, 14:45

    try getting in touch with wayne to talk about it though, i gave up.
21. RICKYP-RPM Established Member Joined: Nov 2006 ower ere Posts: 1282 shitroen spaxo vts

    #21 27th October 2009, 03:24

    my rallye is running kms boddies fine on original ecu thats been re-mapped
22. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #22 27th October 2009, 07:03

    no this again, it can be done, but i wouldnt do it,
    
    as on a standard ecu, tweeking it once it mapped is alot hard to do,
    
    on a standalone ecu you cna tweek it once it mapped, and also a standalone ecu would be alot better.
    
    but really should search this mate there was a massive thread about it.
    
    andy
23. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

    #23 27th October 2009, 08:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndySAXOK no this again, it can be done, but i wouldnt do it, as on a standard ecu, tweeking it once it mapped is alot hard to do, on a standalone ecu you cna tweek it once it mapped, and also a standalone ecu would be alot better. but really should search this mate there was a massive thread about it. andy

    Who shouldve searched?
24. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #24 27th October 2009, 08:33

    lol, this is an old thread.
25. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #25 27th October 2009, 12:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AndySAXOK no this again, it can be done, but i wouldnt do it, as on a standard ecu, tweeking it once it mapped is alot hard to do, on a standalone ecu you cna tweek it once it mapped, and also a standalone ecu would be alot better. but really should search this mate there was a massive thread about it. andy

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo_ron Who shouldve searched?

    Made me Lol
    
    bit different from the "how to make me saxo faster threads"
26. williamsvts Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 northumberland Posts: 7693 pulsar gtir, mk4 astra sxi

    #26 27th October 2009, 12:23

    especially when the original question was asked months ago.
27. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #27 27th October 2009, 12:28

    most random bump in a while....
28. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #28 27th October 2009, 12:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan as yet no one has answered with how many load sites are being used on a 'modified' Oe ecu, until they do so I personally wouldnt be using one. Half of the load sites over a decent aftermarket for example can mean a pretty shit map + with the predator being P+P you dont need a loom modification

    This is certainly the main issue. An aftermarket ecu will give better results precisely because of this. How many load sites has the Predator got?
29. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #29 27th October 2009, 12:44

    12x12 ignition table , 16x16 fuel table
    
    Could double it in theory as could have two tables for each and have it switch tables at a certain rpm eg 3500rpm.
30. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #30 27th October 2009, 19:38

    my bad, i didnt see the date on this one, i thought it was a new thread about the same question that was asked a few months back about bodies on standard ecu,
    
    
    andy