Spraying wheels matt black.

1. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

   #1 11th August 2009, 15:44

   Well search found nothing so I guess I'll have to post it.
   
   Got some VTR wheels I want to spray matt black. Is there anything different I need to do? i.e. different primer? More sanding? etc.
   
   Also, what kind of lacquer would I need to use?
   
   Lastly, if I wanted to add a white rim to the wheels would rim tape be the easiest option?
   
   Cheers.
2. Whiskerzz Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 San Jose, California! Posts: 1478 Now living in the USA 04 Ford Focus SVT

   #2 11th August 2009, 17:40

   you can get matt laquer apparently read it in a thread on here about murder cars
3. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #3 11th August 2009, 22:23

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by PSPDan Well search found nothing so I guess I'll have to post it. Got some VTR wheels I want to spray matt black. Is there anything different I need to do? i.e. different primer? More sanding? etc. Also, what kind of lacquer would I need to use? Lastly, if I wanted to add a white rim to the wheels would rim tape be the easiest option? Cheers.

   Just normal steel primer,and then your matt black paint..........
4. normy_knights Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Normanton, West Yorkshire Posts: 174 106 Quiksilver

   #4 11th August 2009, 22:25

   I did mine with normal primer - depends on the paint on yours befor you start might be worth using a plastic primer
5. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #5 11th August 2009, 22:27

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by normy_knights I did mine with normal primer - depends on the paint on yours befor you start might be worth using a plastic primer

   plastic primer will flake off!! plastic primer is for plastics not steel or alloy..........
6. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

   #6 11th August 2009, 22:28

   Ok, and no lacquer then?
   
   Also, will the paint be likely to flake off and chip?
7. normy_knights Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Normanton, West Yorkshire Posts: 174 106 Quiksilver

   #7 11th August 2009, 22:32

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by PSPDan Ok, and no lacquer then? Also, will the paint be likely to flake off and chip?

   lacquer is better than no lacquer you could also look at having them shot blasted and powdercoated
8. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

   #8 11th August 2009, 22:42

   any reason why matt black and not shiny black??
9. normy_knights Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Normanton, West Yorkshire Posts: 174 106 Quiksilver

   #9 11th August 2009, 22:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by saxokid100 plastic primer will flake off!! plastic primer is for plastics not steel or alloy..........

   but if they have been powder coated before normal primer will flake off, i found out myself!
10. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #10 11th August 2009, 22:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan Ok, and no lacquer then? Also, will the paint be likely to flake off and chip?

    No laquer!! and use plenty of paint on the rims to build up the paint layers......
11. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #11 11th August 2009, 22:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by normy_knights but if they have been powder coated before normal primer will flake off, i found out myself!

    Well if there powder coated they would need to be rubbed down,or scotched for the paint to key...........i paint wheels alot at the min,lots of £££ to be made..........................
12. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #12 11th August 2009, 22:47

    just give good sanding but not so you gough the surface and just build coats giveing 10-15 mins in between piece of cake.

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13. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

    #13 11th August 2009, 22:49

    The whole point of matt is to have a dull un-shiny finish so why do you want to use lacquer?
14. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #14 11th August 2009, 22:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaN90 just give good sanding but not so you gough the surface and just build coats giveing 10-15 mins in between piece of cake.

    You have the right idear dude............
15. dondan Established Member Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1603

    #15 11th August 2009, 22:50

    go for a satin black ftw!
16. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #16 11th August 2009, 22:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaN90 any reason why matt black and not shiny black??

    Cus glossy black wheels look shit imo
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mieran The whole point of matt is to have a dull un-shiny finish so why do you want to use lacquer?

    I didn't mean lacquer as such but I wasn't sure if there was something I needed to use to protect the paint and didn't know what else to call it lol.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dondan go for a satin black ftw!

    Is satin black glossy?
17. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #17 11th August 2009, 22:56

    No gloss black is glossy lmao
18. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #18 11th August 2009, 23:00

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaN90 No gloss black is glossy lmao

    Well yeah but I want them to have a very dull shine if anything.
19. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #19 11th August 2009, 23:01

    Stick with matt black!!! everyone has glossy black rims now........
20. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #20 11th August 2009, 23:02

    Matt black is so much easier to do too mate.
21. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #21 11th August 2009, 23:06

    Lol ok I'll just do matt. So I want steel primer?
    
    It's for my mrs' car so if it looks shit I'm not too bothered haha.
22. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #22 11th August 2009, 23:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan Lol ok I'll just do matt. So I want steel primer? It's for my mrs' car so if it looks shit I'm not too bothered haha.

    Harsh but soo true lol
23. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #23 11th August 2009, 23:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan Lol ok I'll just do matt. So I want steel primer? It's for my mrs' car so if it looks shit I'm not too bothered haha.

    Yes steel primer......... and pop some pics on how you get on.........
24. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #24 11th August 2009, 23:11

    Will do. Halfords sell steel primer or..?
25. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #25 11th August 2009, 23:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan Will do. Halfords sell steel primer or..?

    yes about £5.99 can.....
26. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #26 11th August 2009, 23:13

    Ill show you mine and btw try markets i got all my paint for £2 a tine and the black is beta than halfords i used both lol!!!
27. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #27 11th August 2009, 23:15

    Lol thanks both of you
    
    Any shops which I could try instead of Halfords for the actual paint then? I don't know any markets round here.
28. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #28 11th August 2009, 23:17

    Err hardware shops
29. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #29 11th August 2009, 23:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaN90 Err hardware shops

    Haha common sense fails me. Thanks bud.
30. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #30 11th August 2009, 23:19

    Dont worry mate we wont laugh lol
31. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #31 11th August 2009, 23:20

    
32. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #32 11th August 2009, 23:22

    They look really smart mate! Gloss black?
33. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #33 11th August 2009, 23:23

    Ye gloss black i though you said gloss black wernt good lol.
34. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #34 11th August 2009, 23:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DaN90 Ye gloss black i though you said gloss black wernt good lol.

    They look better than I thought. I just wanna try something different
35. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #35 11th August 2009, 23:24

    Btw you have no idea how hard it is to keep gloss black wheels clean from brake dust lol.
36. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #36 11th August 2009, 23:26

    I am one of the only people to do gloss black by me alot of people do matt black around cannock for some reason and you would be amazed at how many people think my wheels are poweder coated.
    
    Tip: If you want to be diffrent use rim tape after you spray them!
37. Junaid Established Member Joined: May 2009 pboro Posts: 1442 Saxo 1.4 furio Now Saxo 1.6 VTR

    #37 11th August 2009, 23:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan Well search found nothing so I guess I'll have to post it. Got some VTR wheels I want to spray matt black. Is there anything different I need to do? i.e. different primer? More sanding? etc. Also, what kind of lacquer would I need to use? Lastly, if I wanted to add a white rim to the wheels would rim tape be the easiest option? Cheers.

    
    
    jus got halfords mate and get all the stuff from there like i did
    make sure to do 2 sets of primer paint and laquer or the paint will come of as mine has cuz i didnt add laquier till after 2weeks
38. Junaid Established Member Joined: May 2009 pboro Posts: 1442 Saxo 1.4 furio Now Saxo 1.6 VTR

    #38 11th August 2009, 23:35

    use laqure lool thats how i keep my gloss black shiny
39. user_27121 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 5204

    #39 11th August 2009, 23:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BoiRacer use laqure lool thats how i keep my gloss black shiny

    I want matt though so it's not shiny...
40. andymiller_VTR Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 kirkintilloch, Glasgow Posts: 1968 ep82 starlet gt turbo

    #40 11th August 2009, 23:41

    also just to add keep the can about 30 cm away when spraying otherside you will put to much on the one bit ad it will run. im painting rallye steelies just now and im finding out these things as i go along
41. Junaid Established Member Joined: May 2009 pboro Posts: 1442 Saxo 1.4 furio Now Saxo 1.6 VTR

    #41 11th August 2009, 23:58

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PSPDan I want matt though so it's not shiny...

    well laquer it to protect the paint
    and then the shine will go after a week or 2 thumbup
42. DaN90 Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 197 16v s1 rallye :)

    #42 12th August 2009, 00:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BoiRacer well laquer it to protect the paint and then the shine will go after a week or 2 thumbup

    Mines been shiny for about a year ill have you know and never faded at all