Saxo VTS vs Golf Gti 1.8T

12th August 2009, 22:04

Hi, Just sold my car and im looking at a VTS or Golf Gti 1.8T

Now i know this site will be biased lol but....

Are they similar performance?

12th August 2009, 22:06

Hmmm ... Tough choice there.

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12th August 2009, 22:08

i think golf is around 150BHP, VTS is around 120BHP with a weight of 898kgs, not sure of golf weight

12th August 2009, 22:16

A VTS weighs more than 898kg's ...

A friend of mine had an S, sold it for a 1.8T and within weeks was back in an S.
He found it dull and boring.

Straight line Standard Golf would be marginally quicker than a standard S.
Show them some corners and I'd rather be in the S all day long.

12th August 2009, 22:21

saxo over golf you picked the wrong car with that engine in an octavia vrs id pick that over the vts because im not a fan of vws, although i am pulled toward a nice one every now and again. them 1.8t vag lumps are very tunable though.

12th August 2009, 22:25

go for the vts much more fun i had a 1.8t 150bhp model and it felt sluggish even compared to my current mk2 vtr.....

12th August 2009, 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick-w-saxo

i think golf is around 150BHP, VTS is around 120BHP with a weight of 898kgs, not sure of golf weight

if he is on about mk4 1.8t gti they are 180bhp, its the non turbo thats 150.

@ OP, depends what your after want a fun little french tin can then saxo, want a bigger better built panzer tank with power but nowhere near as fun to drive then you know what to do.

12th August 2009, 22:29

^^^ Incorrect.

1.8T is 150 bhp.
Anniversary edition is 180 bhp.

12th August 2009, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oli_K

if he is on about mk4 1.8t gti they are 180bhp, its the non turbo thats 150.

@ OP, depends what your after want a fun little french tin can then saxo, want a bigger better built panzer tank with power but nowhere near as fun to drive then you know what to do.

wrong!!!!! the 1st of the mk4 golf 1.8 turbos were 150bhp, the 2.0 gti model was around 120 bhp

the 180bhp turbos came later in the mk4 range

12th August 2009, 22:43

having driven a gof 1.8 T I was very disapointed very boring to drive boost is gradual and don't punch you in the back, (unless it's remapped etc etc) I have a punto GT and that knocks the golf in fits for fun factor, but the vts is even more fun than both on the twisties lol, and golfs have heavy repair bills when they go wrong too get a vts mate IMO

12th August 2009, 22:53

The Golf obviously.

12th August 2009, 22:54

parkers guide...

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12th August 2009, 23:05

saxo will dick all over the golf, my mates got one its slow as shit. but thats not what its for, its a well built comfy car thats safe and comfy with a bit of go. the saxo is a potential deathtrap, but at least you'll enjoy yourself on the way out lol

12th August 2009, 23:09

saxo will go rong
the golf wont

12th August 2009, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oli_K

if he is on about mk4 1.8t gti they are 180bhp, its the non turbo thats 150

2.0 GTI (8 valve) = 115BHP
1.8 20V GTI (non turbo) = 125BHP
1.8T GTI = 150BHP
1.8T GTI Anniversary = 180BHP

12th August 2009, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoiRacer

saxo will go rong
the golf wont

not strictly true they do have their fairshare of problems for a german car, my mate had a problem with the turbo on his and replacing the maf sensers or something all the time fucknos as i have no interest in them at all but personally id rather buy a jap turbo for the price of the golf which is well overpriced. id go for an octavia vrs tbh its not got the im better than everyone else because the dub scene is the only scene worth looking at badge on it.

12th August 2009, 23:41

dunno german cars are more reliable then the french lol
depends how old the golf is and how much miles it has

12th August 2009, 23:45

Go for the Golf tbh......

13th August 2009, 08:32

Golf, can easily be pushed to 400bhp, and not to mention 20 VALVES! acceleration is really good.

13th August 2009, 10:36

depends what you want it for. personally dont like the golf and think its slow for what it is compared to the VTS....

13th August 2009, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mieran

2.0 GTI (8 valve) = 115BHP
1.8 20V GTI (non turbo) = 125BHP
1.8T GTI = 150BHP
1.8T GTI Anniversary = 180BHP

This guys good, my mates got Anniversary edition and had it remapped to a supposed 230bhp by jbs, but we all know that's B*******

Slightly quicker than my GTi in a straight line, but he can't overtake me on a straight unless you're going towards double figures, not chased him round many corners but it understeers alot from what my other mates have told me.

They're very tunable can go upto about 400bhp before having to forge the internals, but when you hammer them they drink petrol... Where as my GTi only uses abit more.

13th August 2009, 11:01

we mapped my mates to 200bhp the other day.........its better now but imo..........still looks and feels boring

13th August 2009, 11:02

Depends what engines it is, the early AGU ones had stronger internals and less common problems but came with a K03 turbo and can only gain about 190BHP with a remap.

The later models had the AUM engine and K03S turbo and when re-mapped can see 200+ bhp.

13th August 2009, 11:08

I think i will test drive both cars and decide from ther, Thanks guys.

13th August 2009, 13:05

golfs boring, std and mapped.

vts beats it handsdown unless u sit on the motorway for ages every day

13th August 2009, 22:45

Why bother with the golf, when for the same or less money you can get a Leon cupra R with 225bhp and better handling?

13th August 2009, 22:47

golf 1.8t go for 1.5k-3k.
show me a leon cupra r for that much please?

13th August 2009, 22:59

i have just sold my Audi A3 1.8 Turbo 150BHP model. Had a VTS and they are pretty similar on acceleration, audi has alot better top end. handled like a barge unlike the vts! would pick a vtS anyday apart from build quality and comfort. Down to what you want out of a car though!

13th August 2009, 23:20

i have had a golf 20v t then had a ibiza cupra R running 267bhp 280flbs witch was a handful to say the least
tbh they are in my view the better cars but parts are not cheap an for the price of a turbo u could buy a hole vts engine
hard choice to make

14th August 2009, 11:12

I second scaff19 try a remapped ibiza cupra/r mine was only running 194bhp bt 266lbs/ft of torque. Pulls real well and handles nicely with coilovers and 20mm rear spacers still handling doesn't compare to my s.

14th August 2009, 11:13

+ Half leathers cruise control etc etc

14th August 2009, 11:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0t13

golfs boring, std and mapped.

vts beats it handsdown unless u sit on the motorway for ages every day

I'd still have the VTS, i'm getting one as my next car, yet i'll be doing 80+ miles a day on the motorway

And who ever said the golfs are more reliable must be dreaming, my gf's sisters have both had ones, one of them the electronics cut in and out when they felt like it, normally on the motorway though

and the other is a diesel version, had all new sensors and a new turbo on it and it still dont run or idle properly

James

14th August 2009, 13:27

I don't know about the GTi in particular but I know quite a few people who have moved away from VWs and Audis just because they kept going wrong and were very expensive to fix.

Their perceived quality means they hold their value well though.

14th August 2009, 14:44

if your considering golf 1.8t consider seriously a clio sport ... theyre the new saxo tbh and id rather a 172 than a vts anyday

honest

14th August 2009, 14:46

not to mention the vts's now arent that much of a bargain, fuel is alright same as 172, tax is more i think for the newer saxos, insurance is only abit more on the 172 but the 172 is quicker... not to mention i think although theyre both french shitboxes the cliosport will be more reliable and once uv done ur usual work to the saxo on the clio it will be a very powerful pocket rocket in comparision to the vts... even then u dont need to do alot of work to the 172 basically lowered good brakes a catback strut braces ur done with it and u have a awesome road car, dont forget your tires also

14th August 2009, 14:48

Speed wise there isn't much in it as said.

Personally i'd prefer the golf. Much better built cars which suits my needs a lot better. When you spend time on the motorway etc. the comfort of air-con etc. can't be argued with.

14th August 2009, 14:55

forgot to say cliosports have comforts.. lol xeons etc the 182 cup cruise control etc.. consider them

14th August 2009, 14:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellovts

forgot to say cliosports have comforts.. lol xeons etc the 182 cup cruise control etc.. consider them

The 182 is expensive compared to the golf. 172 maybe not anymore... small car though.

14th August 2009, 16:32

golf all the way

better build quality and feel, ie saxo is a tin can and everything inside feels like its going to break

very tune-able engine

and if my saxo was anything to go by much more reliable,

and couldnt the handleing be spice up a bit with a few suspension mods ?

i pretty much regreted buying my saxo from day one

14th August 2009, 16:53

You can make the Golf look this good, you cant do that to a saxo

15th August 2009, 10:58

Get a mk2 golf with a 20vt in it, mines goes really well althogh doesnt handle as good as my S. BAM is the engine code to go for, comes with the k04 turbo too so with a good map and qpeng ecu well over 300bhp can be achieved.

15th August 2009, 20:18

100% golf mate.

15th August 2009, 20:42

people whove never owned or experience a vts will say golf, but tbh my vts is better in so many ways than the lower end paxos even vtr's, try both and see what u feel suits u more

id personally get a leon cupra r tho.. rather than a golf

15th August 2009, 20:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by b0t13

people whove never owned or experience a vts will say golf, but tbh my vts is better in so many ways than the lower end paxos even vtr's, try both and see what u feel suits u more

id personally get a leon cupra r tho.. rather than a golf

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they are essentially the same cars thoe arent they, an surely a golf would be a better investment. hold its money better

15th August 2009, 20:49

Depends what you plan on doing with it and at what budget really, golfs are arguably more reliable, but when they do break god damn they expensive to fix vs the cheaper to fix less reliable french car!

If you wanna mod it a golf costs alot more per item vs a saxo from what i have seen.

Golf is more tunable in theory but isn't cheap to do.
I personally would probably lean more towards the golf but is purely for build quality etc but for pure fun which driving should be i would pick my 106 gti any day of teh week

15th August 2009, 20:58

To put an end to this thread,
i work for leeds volkswagen as a mechanic and i have a vts, its 12 years old and never goes wrong, last week i fitted an engine on an 08 golf that had done 15k.
Reliable my arse

15th August 2009, 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex_Oldroyd

To put an end to this thread,

Will take more than that to end a thread on here fella

15th August 2009, 21:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bickerton

Will take more than that to end a thread on here fella

lol, thats true!
Golf = St Pauls Cathederal with 150 bhp
Saxo Vts = crisp packet with 120 bhp

15th August 2009, 21:51

jules raped one at crail raceway..................in a vtr

................... and the guy gave her the finger after and wouldnt race her after that

just dug out her times etc

DENE MOHAMOOD DENE MOHAMOOD | 28/06/09 | GOLF GTI BLACK | Upto 2000cc Turbo
18.223 sec sec
-0.463 sec
4.456 sec
86.4 mph mph
Left lane

JULIE THOMPSON JULIE THOMPSON | 28/06/09 | SAXO VTR | Upto 1600cc N/A
16.501 sec sec
0.859 sec
2.435 sec
82.7 mph mph
Right lane

http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/show_t...628&RaceID=839

16th August 2009, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottyvtr

jules raped one at crail raceway..................in a vtr

................... and the guy gave her the finger after and wouldnt race her after that

just dug out her times etc

DENE MOHAMOOD DENE MOHAMOOD | 28/06/09 | GOLF GTI BLACK | Upto 2000cc Turbo
18.223 sec sec
-0.463 sec
4.456 sec
86.4 mph mph
Left lane

JULIE THOMPSON JULIE THOMPSON | 28/06/09 | SAXO VTR | Upto 1600cc N/A
16.501 sec sec
0.859 sec
2.435 sec
82.7 mph mph
Right lane

http://www.crailraceway.co.uk/show_t...628&RaceID=839

Is that also saying the dude in the Golf went before the green light too?

16th August 2009, 08:24

been told the Golf is one big thing when i was looking at them. get a Ibiza Cupra