torsion bar day...didnt get far =/

13th August 2009, 19:19

thought id takle the old torsion bar etc today.
got to work and jacked me vtr up, wheels off. lube lube lube lube.
loosend all the shiz, then got stuck

take the anti roll bar out before the actual torsion bar correct?
trouble is, its stuck...i used a longer bolt like guides say, to screw up against the inside of the anti-roll bar so it would prize the plate off...nope.
hits the inside and then just spins the plate round...
it wont come off

no point trying to tackle the torx bolf on the t-bar either rly until the anti roll bar is out?
i dont even have the correct size for it

tomoro...get right torx...and erm, struggle with a-r bar again i take it...
any advise guys??
cheers

J x

13th August 2009, 19:23

suzuki tuning torsion bar guid...google it. will give you good info. aslong as you can get it unsiezed, its all good!

13th August 2009, 19:27

http://www.suzukituning.com/PSA/Susp...owering.htmthe suzuki guide. i was origianly following, however it doesnt mention removing the anti-roll bar!
and in the pics it just shows it as being loose...like mine is now!
no removal of it.
just pull the bars out and turn them until happy...shed any light?
do i have to waste my time taking the anti roll bar out?!?!
J x

13th August 2009, 19:28

do i read rightly that you say the ARB end plate is turning?? Are you using a slide hammer to get the ARB out??

13th August 2009, 19:30

hi i had the same problem trying to do my torsion bar, got everything off that had to come off, but when it came to knocking the torsion bars out to change the height they were completely seized and even i large sledge hammer was tried. any other methods of unseizing it??

13th August 2009, 19:38

im using a large bolt, screwing it in where the rubber torx bit is, to press up and prize the plate off.
not got a slide hammer...
im more conserned about that suzuki guide...it doesnt mention anything about taking the ARB out at all, just the torsion bar.
confuzled now =/
J x

13th August 2009, 19:40

ar bar is the easy part to get out and only 1 plate comes off paasenger side iirc

13th August 2009, 19:42

yeh it does "slide out" apparently but its stuck and wont budge...
DO I NEED TO TAKE THE ARB OUT?
http://www.suzukituning.com/PSA/Suspension/Lowering.htm
look at that, apparently you dont have to remove it?!?!
would make it a lot easyer...but does it make sence??
J x

13th August 2009, 19:57

Dont think you have to remove it mate. Just unbolt the end plate to access the torsion bar end. Cant remember for sure though. havent done mine in ages.

13th August 2009, 19:58

Thats the one as mr n said

13th August 2009, 19:59

You dont have to remove it!

As long as it can move round enough to push the end plates up thus revealing the end of the bottom torsion bar on the drivers side of the car then thatll be sufficient enough

Of course with it out it is much easier but again not strictly necessary

If you're taking it out do make sure that the rubber seals that are revealed are in good condition as these are vital to ensuring that water is kept out of the beam

13th August 2009, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

You dont have to remove it!

As long as it can move round enough to push the end plates up thus revealing the end of the bottom torsion bar on the drivers side of the car then thatll be sufficient enough

Of course with it out it is much easier but again not strictly necessary

If you're taking it out do make sure that the rubber seals that are revealed are in good condition as these are vital to ensuring that water is kept out of the beam

thank you

so its a little easyer now.
yeh, the drivers side is free, its stiff but you can get to the t-bar.
thanks so much, all i gta do now is get a torx40 to actualy try and get the t-bar out and lower it

...not gna be easy

cheers.
J x

13th August 2009, 20:07

Its often not easy for a beginner.

Best of luck with it

What method are you going to use for getting the torsion bars out?

13th August 2009, 20:10

your right, the logic of doing it is simple tbh but the actual...removal etc isnt =/
erm, well i plan to get the torx off, that little washer out then hopefully a bolt into the end of the bar - im using that suzuki guide.
trouble is, the torx is very VERY siezed, ive ran out of wd-40 and GT-85 already, i dont have the correct size torx either, im afraid of rounding it off and never getting it out tbh...
sucks.
J x

13th August 2009, 20:13

hijack ftw!

13th August 2009, 20:13

Hmm its very rare that slide hammers actually work. The bottom bar is the easier of the 2 to get out, the top one you can usually guarantee that itll take more than a slide hammer

Also bear in mind that if you're pulling on that side get someone to watch that you dont pull the trailing arm off.

And definately nip to halfords and get yoursel a t40 torx bit, you will 100% need it

13th August 2009, 20:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by hewlettz

rite ok my saxos lowerd at the front on ajustable coilovers wen i brought it but for sum reson the back wernt lowerd??? i want to try the torsion bar myself but dno if its a gd idea?? i have basic savy of mechanics dno if n e 1 lives near me thats done this b4 and wants 2 earn sum cash????

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boothy_UK

hijack ftw!

Aha thread hijack indeed

I dont know how close you are to me Hewlettz but i could do it if you're willing to travel cv109ew postcode if you want to pop it into route planner

13th August 2009, 20:19

sledge and a bar usualy works

13th August 2009, 20:19

i'll get myself the right size torx.
chance it wont catch and round the head though, its very very tight.
dno wt to do if that happens, maybe a heatgun and a flat head? =P
J x

13th August 2009, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR_N

sledge and a bar usualy works

Works everytime without fail

13th August 2009, 20:24

If you round the head off it is possible to try a slightly bigger torx bit

The best way is if you know anyone with a dremmel borrow one, cut a groove acorss the head just deep enough to get a flat blade in and then with the flat blade in place knock it round with a hammer

Once theyre free theyre usually finger tight the rest of the way. Then just replace the bolt afterwards

13th August 2009, 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by willsy

Works everytime without fail

Yep always for me, 2 swift whacks and they fly out

13th August 2009, 20:33

lot of help guys. nice one.
let you know how i get on tmoro =/
j x

14th August 2009, 13:56

got the torx.
in screwdriver form, it fits snug and as hard as i tunr it doesnt slip and round but....thats the problem, no movement at ALL!
im gna try some coke on it.
getting pretty angry with it tbh...
J x

14th August 2009, 14:19

The torx are always tight, but they'll suddenly undo and be loose as anything. If anyone needs their bar done and not capable then feel free to pay me a visit and i'm sure i can you the southerners out.

14th August 2009, 15:40

so keep wd 40ing and tryna twist the torx?
itl give in eventualy?
J x

14th August 2009, 16:20

Heat it up with something, makes the metal expand. And its probably siezed, know anyone with a buzz gun? If i were still in Wilmslow i could help!

Darn Liverpuddliuns.

14th August 2009, 17:04

not sure id use a buzz gun on one.