Better my handling?

19th August 2009, 06:13

Looking to better my handling, etc. Atm its got apex -50 kit but havent got round to fitting front dampers, Omp lower strut brace, Powerflex lower engine mount. Im looking at getting Omp upper brace, polyflex bushes at front and need to get a new rear beam which will get same bushes also. Pro race 1.2 wheels. What else can i do to better it?

19th August 2009, 07:18

add lightness

19th August 2009, 08:02

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

add lightness

Its got absolutely nothing inside...

Carbon fibre bonnet

19th August 2009, 08:07

there is still more to come out.. may have to become more friendly with an anglegrinder and hole cutter though.

Would recommend a cage prior to this !

19th August 2009, 09:47

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Looking to better my handling, etc. Atm its got apex -50 kit but havent got round to fitting front dampers, Omp lower strut brace, Powerflex lower engine mount. Im looking at getting Omp upper brace, polyflex bushes at front and need to get a new rear beam which will get same bushes also. Pro race 1.2 wheels. What else can i do to better it?

What is better? You will find a stock car is a very good setup and what you have done wil not really help it. to low makes a car bottom out. Also low with stock dampers will never make for a ggood handling car. You have also only made the front harder and this is bad for ballance. If anything its the rear that needs to be harder. Set of good 30-40mm springs, set of yellow billie and 106 S2 rallye or pug sport 25mm rear ARB makes for a great road car. If your talking track there is no end to what you can do and spend.

19th August 2009, 11:06

So need harder rears than fronts or adjustables and harder damping on fronts. Wouldnt mind some b8s but ive had the apex ones since march but just havent fitted the front ones yet. So a uprated torsion bar would make alot of difference too?

19th August 2009, 11:10

get the front dampers fitted for a start lol
i wuoldnt uprate the torsion bars id put a bigger arb in thee to start with tbt as i doubt apex dampers wont be able to cope with bigger bars

after that really its look at better tyres and braking (good brakes make a massive difference imo)

19th August 2009, 11:18

All the above advice is great but if you go making the rear too stiff you will end up with an over steering car that will be difficult to drive quickly (dangerous in the wrong hands to be frank) unless you are a skilled driver. Just something to consider - don't forget tyres as well-make all the difference IME.

19th August 2009, 11:20

Better dampers and springs give better handling as they cope with bumps better due to more advanced internals, and are often lighter than cheaper parts.
Look at your brakes and wheels, the lighter you get the less unsprung weight you have, improving how the car reacts.

Kev

20th August 2009, 06:16

Well have got pro races and brakes will be putting gti6 on fronts when get the pads and hoses for them. Is polyflex a good set off bushes to get as heard there stiffer than powerflex? I saw some things for front which i think went on wishbone or something from spoox forsale not so long ago on here and seemed alrite tbh. I will try to find the link for them. Willl probs be getting a upper brace but think i need a new lower one i think its abit bent and exhaust is sat on it as was fine when first fitted it.

20th August 2009, 09:06

a gti 6 setup is very heavy in regards to un sprung weight although they do stop really well.

Would maybe try a 4 pot setup as the caliper weight is alot less than the gti6 setup. Although with any big brake setup you will always have to add weight due to the disk.

20th August 2009, 11:19

Ye but good braking is a big priority imo especially in a saxo. I may look at wilwood 4pots in the future.

20th August 2009, 12:14

Stretched tyres and double spacerz0rz, according to some people on here

4th September 2009, 12:30

Wheres and which are best for uprated bushes? Kam only do the wishbone ones in polyrace but what about arb ones.

4th September 2009, 12:36

Try rally design for the bushes
i find them very good on price
better weight distrbution helps.

10th September 2009, 13:23

Should i look at getting bigger rear arb? What size? What bushes?
How hard is it too fit new bearings too? Think i will be refurbing the rear beam with new everything and cleaning it up, etc. Just need ideas of bushes, arb, etc to try get best handling i can for my cash.
It will have-
Apex dmapers + springs
Omp upper + lower strut braces
Uprated bushes allround. Which?
Bigger arb

10th September 2009, 13:24

Will also be looking at getting toyo tr1 tires as will be needing fronts soon.

10th September 2009, 13:27

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Originally Posted by swampy

Try rally design for the bushes
i find them very good on price
better weight distrbution helps.

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/index.php < There...?

I cant seem to find any Saxo bushes?

16th September 2009, 06:37

Should i get a gti rear beam with it having the slightly thicker torsion bars and get new bushes, etc in that and fit that over another saxo one?

16th September 2009, 07:35

A thicker ARB is purely down to personal choice, I know any people going from 22mm to 24mm actually prefered the 22mm as it kept the rear more stable. A 24mm in the wrong hands may actually find itself causing the rear to skip out a LOT!

Like said above, definatly get your dampers and springs sorted out, Faulkners and Bilstein Sprintlines work well.

Bushes, purple powerflex are more than up to the job. The polyrace are very good from comments Ive read, but they only fit certain mods.

Like I mentioned before, the lower brace is a good touch, seriously Id just sell that upper brace on. I dont feel they are even worth being fitted to the car.

Thought about relocating your batter either behind the seat or in the rear of the car? Relocate your washer bottle, fibreglass or CF bonnet. Having a light car will make a world of difference.

As Alex said, better brakes will make a huge improvement to how the car drives. I would either recommend 4 Pots, failing that a good pad/disc combo. Something like Mintex 1144s and some grooved discs will keep you happy on the standard calipers. If you find your overcooking them, only then you know you need better brakes!

16th September 2009, 11:24

I have not got a upper brace was just thinking of getting one as like the omp ones. Ive got a lower one.

I will be getting new bushes for arb and wishbone.

Ive got apex -50mm kit on atm but still not fitted fronts yet. I need a new rear beam as my drivers side is pointing in at the top so new beam needed.

Ive got gti6 brakes with drilled discs and ebc standard pads atm but waiting on my braided hoses for me to fit them.

16th September 2009, 11:52

Which tires.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2x-Yokohama-Pa...d=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1954515-195-45...d=p3286.c0.m14

My mate works in a tire place and said for proxes he could do me 2 for £100 fitted but are £55 each and then fitting but he would fit them for me and give slight discount. But on ebay can find 2 for like £80 of topgear.

16th September 2009, 12:22

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

I have not got a upper brace was just thinking of getting one as like the omp ones. Ive got a lower one.

I will be getting new bushes for arb and wishbone.

Ive got apex -50mm kit on atm but still not fitted fronts yet. I need a new rear beam as my drivers side is pointing in at the top so new beam needed.

Ive got gti6 brakes with drilled discs and ebc standard pads atm but waiting on my braided hoses for me to fit them.

I know you keep saying lol. I also keep saying any upper brace isnt really worth it imo. Other opinions may differ. Try it and see how you get on.

Also rear beam bushes are worth a look matey if your doing the whole car.

If your getting a new beam id do the mounts at the same time. When you say 50mm Apex kit do you mean Shocks and springs? I fouind the Apex 50mm springs too soft for my liking.

GTi6 brakes are better than standard in the sense they will stop better. But looking at the cons, they will be very heavy. Again Im repeating myself, the Mintex 1144s are a very good pad I personally feel and are priced well too. Never used EBC pads myself so cannot comment on them.

16th September 2009, 15:30

Well i have got grooved discs and greenstuff pads allround atm and feel as that theyre ok as slower speeds but like they havent got the extra bite id need if i needed it. I dont feel confident in them tbh. Ye was looking at getting bushes allround. Do you think i should stick with a vtr/vts beam then rather than gti?

17th September 2009, 06:32

Ive been looking at getting the polyrace rear beam and wishbone bushes and arb powerflex ones as dont get polyrace for arb. Like the powerflex ones are£15 more on kam just for the rears and polyrace are that bit harder arent they?

17th September 2009, 08:05

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

Ive been looking at getting the polyrace rear beam and wishbone bushes and arb powerflex ones as dont get polyrace for arb. Like the powerflex ones are£15 more on kam just for the rears and polyrace are that bit harder arent they?

yeah, polyrace are a better buy.

17th September 2009, 13:35

ive been thinking on how to make a really good handling 106/saxo i wanna gt a 1.1 or something and make a sleeper out for it my personal plans for handling are
35/40mm apex suspension kit
gti rear beam (thicker arb)
powerflex bushes all around
new droplinks trackrod ends etc
lower strut brace maybe an upper one
maybe lowering the center of gravity with a firbre glass boot and bonnet (cf roof skin would be good but very expensive)
decent set of light wheels with sticky rubber
get as light as possible
brake wise 266mm gti calipers standard discs with m1144 pads and the same on rear
thats what im planning and this is being done on a budget cus obv there are better suspension kits/brake kits/cf over fibreglass etc etc what do people think to that

18th September 2009, 10:06

Which beam should i go for then? vtr/s or gti??

18th September 2009, 10:36

gti ARB is the best mate, the vtr/s 1's are the same iirc

18th September 2009, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Hewitt20

yeah, polyrace are a better buy.

they arent ment to be a good fit though.

18th September 2009, 14:26

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Originally Posted by jonesy9

gti ARB is the best mate, the vtr/s 1's are the same iirc

So best to get good gti beam?

18th September 2009, 15:13

yea if your fitting a new beam then deffo fit the gti beam

7th October 2009, 12:13

pradas or t1r???

16th October 2009, 17:28

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Originally Posted by jsdvtr

So best to get good gti beam?

yes mate they are the best available imo