how to secure bucket seat harnesses

1. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #1 22nd August 2009, 00:09

   hi do you secure bucket seat harnesses so that you can stil have passangers in the back. you can link them up to a rail in the boot as standard but i want to secure them on the floor directely behind the seat. How do you do this? do you have to get a specialist to fit them? or can you do them yourself?
   
   Thanks
2. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #2 22nd August 2009, 11:49

   hi anyone to help?
3. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #3 22nd August 2009, 18:57

   anyone at all?
4. miamibluebaby Established Member Joined: May 2009 Ellesmere (Shropshire) Posts: 1044 superchared 106 gti

   #4 22nd August 2009, 19:17

   you can buy a three point harness that has another buckle at the back so can easily be uncliped to alow you to carry pasangers, and use your original belts have a look on deamon tweeks website for the exact make/modle
5. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #5 22nd August 2009, 21:47

   but how do you secure them to the floor?
6. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #6 23rd August 2009, 20:58

   ??????
7. -E-N-Z-O- Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Bridgend, South Wales Posts: 551 Silver Mk2 VTR

   #7 23rd August 2009, 22:06

   I dunno how safe it would be having the harness positioned that way. However, to do it you would have to drill through the floor and then reinforce it with a plate either side. Dunno if it would pass an MOT though.
8. Mango_Wes Established Member Joined: Oct 2008 Southend-On-Sea Posts: 1897 1.1 Forte VTR rep Mango 1.6 Gold VTS

   #8 24th August 2009, 05:33

   If you have taken out your rear seats' Use your old seatbelt bolts and bolt them where your old seatbelts used to bolt to.
   
   Or, You can have them on your C and D pillars where are the points where when you open your boot, you can see them on the left and right as soon as you open your boot, your have to unbolt your rear seatbelts and bolt the rear of the harness onto it
9. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

   #9 24th August 2009, 09:48

   butthis would make it hard for rear passangers to get in mate. iv seen them go drectely below the front seat so that access to the back is still possible
10. LeeBBH Frequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Maidstone Posts: 860 Mk6 Fiesta Zetec S

    #10 24th August 2009, 10:06

    If your this unsure mate i would suggest taking it to a specialised garage to do.
    Seat belts are quite important
11. iw_laurence Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Isle of Wight Posts: 1971 BMW E30

    #11 24th August 2009, 10:17

    if the angle of the harness is over 45degrees from were it leaves the seat it can be unsafe, ideally you would want it at 0 to 45 degrees as it keeps the stress on the harnesses down.
12. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #12 24th August 2009, 10:37

    dont run harnesses if you're still keeping passengers in the back
13. andymiller_VTR Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 kirkintilloch, Glasgow Posts: 1968 ep82 starlet gt turbo

    #13 24th August 2009, 11:39

    the only way im aware of you can run passengers in the back with harnesses is to run the harness though the gap in the rear seat. for example between where the back of the seat and the base meet. then bolt them too the same bolt as the rear seatbelt clips.
    
    However make sure the bolts have enought thread still in the hole!!! Do not use them if there not properly tightened.
14. PUG1OFF Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chorley lancashire pr7 Posts: 401 106 s2 gti turbo,46k quicky,caddy van vr6, and a w

    #14 24th August 2009, 14:42

    hi mate i have harnesses in myne but iv striped myne out. iv bolted myne to the boot floor tho and still passes mot . but i no wat u mean. but theres only 1 prob wi that it wont pass mot and if u run ur harness strait to the floor behind driver and passenger seat if u have a crash youll brake both of your shoulders and maybe even your neck. so just think about it a little it took me 3 or 4 days of playin about with them to get them in the rite spot
15. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

    #15 24th August 2009, 21:22

    cheers guys that helps ill have to look into it. how about i get the three point harness and bolt them to the front seat belt rail
16. user_26907 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Tha Durrty Saaf Posts: 2095 BMX

    #16 24th August 2009, 22:56

    rear point bolts to where your rear belts come down from (D pillars)
    
    front to bolt in wear your seat belts came out.
    
    you CAN'T have harnesses and rear seats
17. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #17 25th August 2009, 01:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mike-VTR rear point bolts to where your rear belts come down from (D pillars)

    So if someone goes into the back of you and the C (there's only A, B and C ) pillars crumple forwards, the harness slackens and you go forwards too?
    Should be mounted to where the buckles go (underneath the rear bench), preferably with a spreader plate (although most people don't tend to).
18. PUG1OFF Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chorley lancashire pr7 Posts: 401 106 s2 gti turbo,46k quicky,caddy van vr6, and a w

    #18 25th August 2009, 10:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgiee cheers guys that helps ill have to look into it. how about i get the three point harness and bolt them to the front seat belt rail

    on your seat frame at the side of the handbrake u will have a buckle for 1 and then just unbolt ur front lower seatbelt rail and bolt other side to that and then the rear strap fasen as far back as you can or as high up as u can just play about with them youll get it in the end . but get rid of them rear seats
19. user_26907 Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Tha Durrty Saaf Posts: 2095 BMX

    #19 25th August 2009, 21:33

    Yeah the c is next to the d, typo
    
    c pillar is safe enough to use and your shoulders dont
    get crushed if get hit head on.
    
    Its just a case of where are you least likely to get rammed
20. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

    #20 26th August 2009, 21:40

    so how come you can see cars with harnesses that are bolted to the floor? dont get it so no way in hell with the rear seats in i can have harnesses
21. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #21 26th August 2009, 21:44

    not really able to keep the seats useable with harnesses
    i used to run mine on the c pillar but its not idea
    ive now got my harness in but still kept seatbelt so if i need the seat i tuuck the harness under the seat and use the normal belt
22. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

    #22 27th August 2009, 09:43

    Thats not a bad idea however alot of messing around
23. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

    #23 27th August 2009, 09:45

    i know this must sound stupid however does the harnesses have to be facing downwards? would it be possible to get a bar secured to the inside roof and secure the harnesses to them? or is that totally impossible?
24. Gordon Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 543 Phase-II VTR

    #24 27th August 2009, 22:43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Morgiee you can link them up to a rail in the boot as standard but i want to secure them on the floor directely behind the seat. Thanks

    NEVER do this. In an impact you WILL compress your spine.
    
    The only way to do it while keeping usable rear seats is to use the type with the second buckle behind the seat (OMP, Sabelt and Sparco do them) which allows you to use the rears WITHOUT the harnesses. You need to use your standard saxo belt if you've got rear passengers.
25. Gordon Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 543 Phase-II VTR

    #25 27th August 2009, 22:53

    [edit]
    
    Since you asked for pics:
    
    I went for the Sabelt double buckle.
    
    Rear strap is mounted to the same point as the lap belt strap.
    
    
    Right hand Eyebolt replaces original belt fixing bolt.
    
    
    Left hand eye bolt i've mounted to the seat side plate. The side frame needs additional bolts to the subframe for safety's sake if this is done.
    
    If you're using bolt in rather than clip-in, then you can bolt the left hand mount to the subframe.

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26. Morgiee Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Middlesbrough Posts: 2267 Past: Citroen Saxo Forte W reg posi blue Now: H

    #26 29th August 2009, 16:25

    thanks mate thats great help however the first pic goes right through the rear seat? ohh.... i get it when no one is in the rear you can usr the harness but when their is, then you use you original seat belt?
    
    Clever il probs do that