0-100 times vts

5th September 2009, 14:05

what kind of 0-100 times have you got out of your vts?
and also with what mods.

thankooo

5th September 2009, 14:28

On the track it took about 16 seconds. With breathing mods.

5th September 2009, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchowned

On the track it took about 16 seconds. With breathing mods.

just breathing mods?

i have got apx 17 secs, thats with cams + beathing mods.

5th September 2009, 14:41

I was actually going to do this later (on my private runway)

16 seconds is too fast though, I am expecting somewhere around the 20 mark

5th September 2009, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

I was actually going to do this later (on my private runway)

16 seconds is too fast though, I am expecting somewhere around the 20 mark

iirc standard is 20-22 secs.

5th September 2009, 16:36

I said about

was probs nearer 20 in hindsight

5th September 2009, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchowned

I said about

was probs nearer 20 in hindsight

LOL yeah, mine roughly too

5th September 2009, 17:12

well, 20 seconds is about right for a breathed on vts.

5th September 2009, 17:50

I did mine today, its a stripped VTS. The dials are out slightly, so at 105, the GPS reads 100. With a slight wheel spin at the start.. it made a 19 seconds. On the dial it took 16 to 100, but that is wrong

And 6.5 to 60.

That is breathing, straight exhaust and rear end stripped..

5th September 2009, 18:05

il do mine 2nite

6th September 2009, 15:46

17 seconds is about rite with cams.

6th September 2009, 16:13

Depends on accurate you are with the stopwatch as well. Lots of factors in this one tbh. But should make some interesting reading.

6th September 2009, 16:18

G-tech Pro meter? Might not do 0-100's actually, Ill have a look see if mine does.

6th September 2009, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

I did mine today, its a stripped VTS. The dials are out slightly, so at 105, the GPS reads 100. With a slight wheel spin at the start.. it made a 19 seconds. On the dial it took 16 to 100, but that is wrong

And 6.5 to 60.

That is breathing, straight exhaust and rear end stripped..

Seems a little optimisitc imo for just taking out 2xkg i may be wrong though.

For a saxo id say 0-80 is better for pub chat even the 16v's seem to drop off once you get to the higher end of 3rd.

6th September 2009, 21:19

13.8 for me

(Not a saxo before someone quotes me)

7th September 2009, 03:23

14.1 for my vts

7th September 2009, 03:47

my car 0-100 never!!

7th September 2009, 09:54

0-100 mile?!

i took 13/14seconds with beathing and exhaust ?!?! something wrong?!

7th September 2009, 10:01

Absolute bullshit.

My quarter mile times were over 15 seconds and I was just hitting 90mph.

Any vts which can hit 100 in 13-14 should be doing a quarter mile in a lot less

7th September 2009, 10:04

#Sorry I missed someones reply up there.
I dont know if to post my video, due to it being to 100 and I don't want to look like a cock. But PM me if you want to see it. This is the times though..

0-10 = 0.5
0-20 = 2
0-30 = 3
0-40 = 4
0-50 = 5
0-60 = 6.5
0-70 = 9
0-80 = 11
0-90 = 14
0-100 = 17
0-105 = 19
0-110 = 22
0-115 = 25

7th September 2009, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

Absolute bullshit.

My quarter mile times were over 15 seconds and I was just hitting 90mph.

sorry?!?! My quarter mile times is 14.898 seconds and I was just hitting 91.30mph...

I think 20seconds is too much...

7th September 2009, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderxjz82

13.8 for me

(Not a saxo before someone quotes me)

He said 0-100 not 0-60

7th September 2009, 10:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndreeVTS

sorry?!?! My quarter mile times is 14.898 seconds and I was just hitting 91.30mph...

I think 20seconds is too much...

So, how did you get 14 seconds to 100, when you do a 1/4 mile in 15 seconds at 91?

7th September 2009, 10:24

Jorge whats your actual 0-60 time?

You said your speedo is out by 5mph so does that mean you're somewhere in between 6.5 and 9 secs?

7th September 2009, 10:27

I have tried this a few times, and going off the pod times.. It is around 6.5-7 seconds.

Also have a few videos of a 30-70 (From another forum, big thread) of not much over 5.5 seconds :O

7th September 2009, 10:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

So, how did you get 14 seconds to 100, when you do a 1/4 mile in 15 seconds at 91?

ahahahhahah you're right, the morning I'm too fucked up!
whatever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7T3USkElRM

7th September 2009, 10:33

That does seem very impressive

Are your dials true or slightly out like mine? If they are true, I make it 15ish.

But if they are out, I make it another 2-3 seconds.. You can see how much the power drops off over 90ish though

7th September 2009, 10:38

i agree....but seems strange, in italy , saxo €3 with beathing and exhaust decat are all so...missing hp

7th September 2009, 10:45

Well, I had mine on a dyno, it rolled a 115 aha.

Although, I have since changed the exhaust to a Magnex which seemed to pick up better than the Ashley, I think I need to get it on the rollers again, but I reckon it isnt making more than standard.

7th September 2009, 11:23

?! English 115hp = 115hp Italians?!
you are 1600 16v 120hp?

7th September 2009, 11:28

Yes, 120 standard.

115.7 at 6500rpm

Around 103 ft/lb torque at 4300

7th September 2009, 11:40

engine overworked??

7th September 2009, 11:43

No idea, given it a full service, new exhaust. Hopefully got a few ponies back

7th September 2009, 12:05

So assemble an another engine

In england is wonderful that law allows you to do many things and many cars are incredible!!

rollbar, tu5jp4, 4 throttle valve...

in italy decat is a criminal act......you can't do anything..theoretically

7th September 2009, 12:39

Or, sell it for an MX5.. RWD is the way forwards..

7th September 2009, 12:52

I added a sunstrip, a 5" jap backbox, lowered it, and bent the wing mirrors in.

I got 14.86 seconds to do 2miles and back to zero]

BRAAPPP

7th September 2009, 19:02

whats the average torgue of a vts ??

7th September 2009, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam19

whats the average torgue of a vts ??

saxo 16v stock 145Nm

7th September 2009, 19:16

i read a big article on how a 1/4 mile terminal velocity is a better indication of your cars 'real world' performance.

7th September 2009, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

I did mine today, its a stripped VTS. The dials are out slightly, so at 105, the GPS reads 100. With a slight wheel spin at the start.. it made a 19 seconds. On the dial it took 16 to 100, but that is wrong

And 6.5 to 60.

That is breathing, straight exhaust and rear end stripped..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

Yes, 120 standard.

115.7 at 6500rpm

Around 103 ft/lb torque at 4300

you get a 0-60 time of 6.5 and you only got 115.7. what a you timing it with a stop watch!?

somethings not right there

7th September 2009, 19:21

mines running 140bhp- but would say my 0-60 is around 6.5seconds

although cant say iv timed my 0-60

7th September 2009, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by carter

you get a 0-60 time of 6.5 and you only got 115.7. what a you timing it with a stop watch!?

somethings not right there

More likely to be the rolling road figures that are wrong actually.

I bet if you put the same car on ten different rolling roads across the country you'd have a suprising variation in results; a range of about 115-140ish I'd imagine.

Using a stopwatch to time a 0-60 run is probably a just as reliable calulation method as a rolling road flywheel figure.

7th September 2009, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finchowned

More likely to be the rolling road figures that are wrong actually.

I bet if you put the same car on ten different rolling roads across the country you'd have a suprising variation in results; a range of about 115-140ish I'd imagine.

Using a stopwatch to time a 0-60 run is probably a just as reliable calulation method as a rolling road flywheel figure.

that is one possibility, or like said above the engine has had a hard life and lost some horses!

but if it was a proven 115 you would not see a 0-60 time of 6.5 secs not in a saxo anyway.

7th September 2009, 19:35

wot if you had 120bhp tho and the saxo only weighed like 750kg?

7th September 2009, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by carter

that is one possibility, or like said above the engine has had a hard life and lost some horses!

but if it was a proven 115 you would not see a 0-60 time of 6.5 secs not in a saxo anyway.

Agreed, you wouldn't see a 0-60 time of that, hence the rolling road figure is wrong.

7th September 2009, 20:16

my mate got a measured 6.35 second to 60 at trax. His just breathed.

7th September 2009, 20:49

6.5 is from filming the dials on a set of nearly 10 runs. Then taking the video into some editing software to measure the exact times. And taking an average of it.

I am not bothered anyway, figures are for fags down the pub. I will openly say my car is less than standard, rather than most who big up their powers to 140 from just an exhaust

7th September 2009, 21:45

take it his car is gutted db_sax?

7th September 2009, 21:46

Seeing as this has turnt into a 0-60 debate somwhat started by my self lol.

0-60 is 100% irrelevent on track as you never do a 0-60, you do a rolling start onto track. What you want is 30-70 thats a far better indecator of how fast a car is.

stop watch, phone clock etc are all way off the only real thing you can use that i know of and for the life of me cant remember what it is called is like a road angle.. race logger or sumit iirc does lap times average speed top speed 0-60 0-100 etc.

7th September 2009, 22:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

my mate got a measured 6.35 second to 60 at trax. His just breathed.

do you believe thats correct though? thats a long way of the standard with just breathing mods.

7th September 2009, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

I am not bothered anyway, figures are for fags down the pub. I will openly say my car is less than standard, rather than most who big up their powers to 140 from just an exhaust

Totaly agree dude!

7th September 2009, 23:07

i dont really care about 0-60, im more interest in 0-100.

so to compare with other vts.

7th September 2009, 23:09

wot cams you running mr_x? any weight loss?

7th September 2009, 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by L16_vts

wot cams you running mr_x? any weight loss?

no weight loss, but i have ph3's.

7th September 2009, 23:13

try stripping it out will make more differance. am running 708s untill i decide wot spec am after.

7th September 2009, 23:52

i broke down half way through and the aa truck cud only go 30 so i will give it another go 18 hours and counting

8th September 2009, 00:08

Like i said it would make interesting reading, well its made me laugh at least. There are so many factors involved in this its unreal. I mean tyres, i cant believe no one has thought about them, they make a massive difference and are just one part of it all. But its good to read peoples views on what gives a real indication of performance even though the thread was just about 0 - 100 times.

8th September 2009, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

my mate got a measured 6.35 second to 60 at trax. His just breathed.

O'rly?

Who was this then?

8th September 2009, 09:49

woz this ures toad?

8th September 2009, 10:05

I made that time, yes. But I don't know who DB_Sax is, nor is my car just using breathing mods...

8th September 2009, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

I made that time, yes. But I don't know who DB_Sax is, nor is my car just using breathing mods...

LMAO, knew it was aload of bollox tbh! 6.3s with just breathing mods!

8th September 2009, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

O'rly?

Who was this then?

Il try and find a pic, he looks t the forums but isnt a member and dosent post.

I didnt go to trx but there was some 0-60 timed run thing there?

His cars mods are:

Enclosed red filter
4-2-1 manifold
Powerflow backbox
Silenced decat section
Stripped

It got a better time than Josh' bodied Westcoast S.

8th September 2009, 13:51

Get on his site m8

http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=comparison

8th September 2009, 14:41

suppose the light boot and bonnet will make a differance, wunder how much it weighs?

must go well running those times with just breathing mods.

8th September 2009, 14:51

Proof?

I would have liked to have more than one go TBH. Need to work on launching... Not really my thing though.

8th September 2009, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jorge-

6.5 is from filming the dials on a set of nearly 10 runs. Then taking the video into some editing software to measure the exact times. And taking an average of it.

I am not bothered anyway, figures are for fags down the pub. I will openly say my car is less than standard, rather than most who big up their powers to 140 from just an exhaust

i dont big my saxo up and its been rolling roaded at 3 different garages for the simple fact of people didnt believe what its running. its running about 140bhp, if it was less i would say if it was more i would say- what is the point in saying * oh my cars running 140bhp , when its really running 120bhp, thers no point what so ever- my vts could have more done to it then i know as the man who had it before modded it abit but dont know what, so it aint really bigging it up unless i say my 90bhp vtr is running 120 with an air filter and 40+ bhp with the fogs on

thats bigging it up- you`ll find there are many saxos running 140bhp with mani decat full exhuast air mods ect....but then again some may only run 125bhp with all them- every saxo is different and every saxo like every car is all differently looked after service wise- al depends wether it gets ragged 7xtimes a week or 1x a week, it all makes a difference

8th September 2009, 18:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by cooper-44

Get on his site m8

http://www.torquestats.com/index.php?pid=comparison

According to that the vts factory spec does 22.3 so anyone under a genuine 20 imho is doing well.

That relly does show though how poor the saxos are above 80 as i previously said two pages ago. When as an comparison the vts has a similar 0-60 to my bmw (only 0.3 behind) but is FIVE seconds behind 0-100.

8th September 2009, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam19

i dont big my saxo up and its been rolling roaded at 3 different garages for the simple fact of people didnt believe what its running. its running about 140bhp, if it was less i would say if it was more i would say- what is the point in saying * oh my cars running 140bhp , when its really running 120bhp, thers no point what so ever- my vts could have more done to it then i know as the man who had it before modded it abit but dont know what, so it aint really bigging it up unless i say my 90bhp vtr is running 120 with an air filter and 40+ bhp with the fogs on

thats bigging it up- you`ll find there are many saxos running 140bhp with mani decat full exhuast air mods ect....but then again some may only run 125bhp with all them- every saxo is different and every saxo like every car is all differently looked after service wise- al depends wether it gets ragged 7xtimes a week or 1x a week, it all makes a difference

Hey chill out! Nothing wrong with bigging you unrealistic RR figures up dude

8th September 2009, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

According to that the vts factory spec does 22.3 so anyone under a genuine 20 imho is doing well.

That relly does show though how poor the saxos are above 80 as i previously said two pages ago. When as an comparison the vts has a similar 0-60 to my bmw (only 0.3 behind) but is FIVE seconds behind 0-100.

mines a genuine 17 seconds. as some one else did, i had a friend video it, then edit it to show a the 0-100 time.

This wasnt to compare to other cars tbh, i have had a powerful BMW, but i am now looking for an elise as imo thrills lay in other areas.

Edit to add: weight reduction in a saxo makes a big difference imo, and this thread wasnt about "pub" talk. I was after 0-100 times as this is less likely to be affected by error as 0-60 or 80 will be.

To finish, after a few mod's they dont tail off at 80mph, my car tails off after 100mph. Anyway, we didnt buy a saxo for its straight line speed.

8th September 2009, 20:49

Very true Mr X.

8th September 2009, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by L16_vts

suppose the light boot and bonnet will make a differance, wunder how much it weighs?

must go well running those times with just breathing mods.

Had it weighed, cnt remeber what though now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

Proof?

I would have liked to have more than one go TBH. Need to work on launching... Not really my thing though.

Dont know if hes got any proof, if he has, il post it up. That as his first go, n rekons he could have improved it!

9th September 2009, 01:33

What is the 30-70 and 30-100 times on a VTS?

9th September 2009, 03:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

It got a better time than Josh' bodied Westcoast S.

Theres alot of variables guys, FD in the gearbox makes a big difference, obviously the driver (Sam was driving mine who is an 8v monkey), tyres, weight of the car etc etc

Ghey Lining is gay anyway we all know that hence why i've never done it or been interested in it, if you cant carry the speed round a corner then you can have 500bhp and still be slower than a Micra round a track who can carry his speed round the corners

9th September 2009, 07:59

When I first got the car I managed a 30-70 of under 6 seconds. But since fitting the Magnex that has dropped.

Again, you will all think I am talking bollocks, but I don't talk shit about my car, I just face the truth.

My car was weighed at 900kg dead, since I have removed 10kg of unsprung weight with wheels, and another however much the backseats and doorcards weigh too.

Tyres: 2x Toyo T1S on the front, Uniroyal Rainsport 2s on the rear
Wheels - OZ Superleggeras
Mods - Raceland with larger green filter, Raceland 4-2-1, Magnex straight through with decat

9th September 2009, 09:40

jpsaxo ure right ave been up crail once and it woz ok. nice to compare the acceleration to other types off cars thats all...

ave never been on track but ad love to, i think it would be so much of a buzz.
theres many cars i think the saxo/106 would lose on the straights but catch them on the corners which sounds so fun.

9th September 2009, 10:27

The less powerful the car, the more it's about the driver IMO.

9th September 2009, 18:10

what gears do you use to 30-70

2nd then into 3rd

or

3rd thughout ??

9th September 2009, 18:17

ive done 0-100 in 7.5 seconds

not joking either.

9th September 2009, 18:50

2nd and 3rd.. 3rd alone starts too low

9th September 2009, 19:22

thanks bud- am guna try that some time and see what i can get

9th September 2009, 21:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toad

The less powerful the car, the more it's about the driver IMO.

You cant deny it takes skill to throw a high powered rwd around track with a livly back end.

I do agree the less powerfull the car the more you skill takes present but hot hatchs are so predicable with the hint of lift off oversteer.

9th September 2009, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiniGibbo

You cant deny it takes skill to throw a high powered rwd around track with a livly back end.

I do agree the less powerfull the car the more you skill takes present but hot hatchs are so predicable with the hint of lift off oversteer.

Very true. But not the point I was trying to make.

I was trying to say that if you have a car with a lot less power, i.e., a Saxo, compared to a bigger car with 300+ bhp, you've got to drive it well to keep up, as you can't get away with just hammering it on the straits.

12th September 2009, 13:14

Got the proof for you toad from Trax

6.35seconds

Mods are:

Red filter enclosed induction
Miltec 4-1
Powerflow exhaust
stripped inside: dash/sound proofin remains, all other plastics removed.

12th September 2009, 13:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam19

what gears do you use to 30-70

2nd then into 3rd

or

3rd thughout ??

why wud u use third? mine does 75 in second?

14th September 2009, 09:13

That's impressive DB_Sax!