our GSXR throttle bodies & manifold kit

11th September 2009, 22:17

Hi All

We would like to introduce our GSXR throttle bodies & manifold kits for the 1.6 16v engine, these made 170 BHP & 135 lbft torque on 708 catcams. the manifold is fabricated using equal length runners for optimum air/fuel distribution.

11th September 2009, 22:19

There the sexiest things i have ever seen. Nuff said from me. *dribble*

11th September 2009, 22:27

How much?

11th September 2009, 22:27

Hi All

if any one wants more info or any questions please ask.

regards

Craig Stephens

Dyno-Developments

11th September 2009, 22:31

Yup yup, how much do these cost?

11th September 2009, 22:33

Hi Matt

theres two options, if you supply your own GSXR 600 throttle bodies we can modify and fit them to our manifold for £520 including velocity stacks (trumpets) plus postage.

or we can supply the bodies for an extra £80.

They come complete with injectors and throttle potentiometer.

Regards

Craig

Dyno-Developments

11th September 2009, 23:47

Should become an afilliate member on here

Speak to Simo

Do you do mapping aswell? So how much would the TBs supplied, fitted and mapped be?

11th September 2009, 23:51

Ok, sounds good - Out of interest.. What ECU was the 1.6 16v engine running when it reached 170 bhp?

11th September 2009, 23:59

what size truppets are these?

also does the TPS fit the standard saxo TPS loom plug?

do you map cars and where are you based?

many thanks could be very intrested in these

andy

12th September 2009, 00:00

sandy browns set up is cheaper and looks better, and uses the 750/1000 bodies

12th September 2009, 00:55

how much is the whole kit and wat would i get if my vts is running 157bhp on newman ph3's?

12th September 2009, 08:29

They do look well made. But as Blackie_2k5 said Sandy Browns as well as Bogg Brothers, MASMO (may have spelt that wrong), Grass Track George and Mike Geen have been selling similar setups for various TU engines for many years. Last time I ask Boggy and MASMO they both only wanted £150 for a manifold.

12th September 2009, 09:29

With the greatest of respect, I find 170bhp without changing the head, and on 708 cams to be a little optimistic.

Also, I think that GSXR600 bodies are too small for the 1.6 16v engines, and the GSXR1000 bodies are better sized.

I also think that looking at that engine bay, the bodies come WAY to close to the scuttle to allow decent airflow, and also there's no room for a filter which i I would *always* run.

They do seem a bit pricey aswell since £600 is more than the established bike-body competition.

They do look nice and well made, but I think the market is flooded with bike body conversions, and you need to give them 'the edge' in some way.

Kind regards

Andy

12th September 2009, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Should become an afilliate member on here

Speak to Simo

Do you do mapping aswell? So how much would the TBs supplied, fitted and mapped be?

Hi
we used an Omex ECU on our development car, but you can use any quality ecu you like.
you cam PM me for full prices etc

12th September 2009, 14:10

8v setup?

12th September 2009, 14:19

Hi All

So many questions here i will try to answer them all. I will start with the price, unlike nearly all the other bike throttle body conversions on the market we modify the bodies to match the port spacing on the engine, this involves splitting the bodies and re-spacing them to achieve equal length manifold runners for optimum air fuel distribution.This requires a new fuel rail to be manufactured to suit, then we have to modify the linkages to suit, we remove the secondary throttle valve and spindle etc and plug the holes. the manifold was designed using CFD ( computantional fluid dynamics ) etc to determine the best angle and distance to throttle plate.
This all costs money to achieve. We dont just bolt some TBs to a manifold. as for sandy browns set up it is £20 cheaper.

12th September 2009, 14:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie

8v setup?

hi
sorry we dont do one for the 8v yet

12th September 2009, 14:31

They look quite good.

Although the only question i have is, why go to the trouble of getting machined trumpets and inlet manifold stacks to go and join it all together with silicone joiners and jubilee clips?

Where they join do they offer a nice smooth transfer where they go in and out of the actual throttle body units?

Other than that nice effort and good to see more competition in the bike throttle body world

12th September 2009, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

With the greatest of respect, I find 170bhp without changing the head, and on 708 cams to be a little optimistic.

Also, I think that GSXR600 bodies are too small for the 1.6 16v engines, and the GSXR1000 bodies are better sized.

I also think that looking at that engine bay, the bodies come WAY to close to the scuttle to allow decent airflow, and also there's no room for a filter which i I would *always* run.

They do seem a bit pricey aswell since £600 is more than the established bike-body competition.

They do look nice and well made, but I think the market is flooded with bike body conversions, and you need to give them 'the edge' in some way.

Kind regards

Andy

Hi andy

i can assure you our development car made those figures, but we did match the manifold to the head, this was localised machining and not actually modifying the head.
as for the 600 (38mm bore) TBs we carried out back to back tests against the larger (42mm bore) TBs and we had more area under the curve for torque and power.
The reason the trumpets are close to the bulk head in the images, is the car was strapped to a dyno as we were testing inlet tract length, also the trumpets are supplied at 110mm long so they can be trimmed down if reqired.

and WE always run air filters.

Regards

Craig

Dyno-Developments

12th September 2009, 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by daz_Westcoast

They look quite good.

Although the only question i have is, why go to the trouble of getting machined trumpets and inlet manifold stacks to go and join it all together with silicone joiners and jubilee clips?

Where they join do they offer a nice smooth transfer where they go in and out of the actual throttle body units?

Other than that nice effort and good to see more competition in the bike throttle body world

HI
Where the silicon joiners meet we hand match them perfectly before we dispatch them. It makes them easier to strip them if needed, we have found this method to work very well and it never comprimises performance. The air/fuel charge never passes through any of the silicon piping its just there to couple the lot together

regards

craig

12th September 2009, 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

There the sexiest things i have ever seen. Nuff said from me. *dribble*

LOL go look at proper bodies without all the jubilie clips and stuff and you will see more sexyness.

Bike bodies are the cheap route which alot of people are doing these days as shown by the mentioning of several companies offering their conversions.

On topic this threads going to be discussed as it can be percieved as advertising for a business which is against the forum rules unless you are an affiliate.

12th September 2009, 14:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strikevts

how much is the whole kit and wat would i get if my vts is running 157bhp on newman ph3's?

Hi
you should get close to 170 BHP if you match the manifold to the head properly, and get it mapped correctly. the kit will cost you £600 if you want us to supply the TBs too. plus postage

regards

craig

12th September 2009, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

LOL go look at proper bodies without all the jubilie clips and stuff and you will see more sexyness.

Bike bodies are the cheap route which alot of people are doing these days as shown by the mentioning of several companies offering their conversions.

On topic this threads going to be discussed as it can be percieved as advertising for a business which is against the forum rules unless you are an affiliate.

Hi
Just because bike TBs are a cheaper route doesn't mean they're a lesser route, we have tested various TBs and manifolds, and found bike TBs to be far superior in some cases. Surely performance is more important than looks in my view. If you just want looks go buy MAX POWER !

I have tuned/built & mapped enough engines in my time not to be discouraged by some individuals comments when they know NOTHING !

Regards

Craig Stephens

DYNO-DEVELOPMENTS

12th September 2009, 15:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigatdyno-developments

Hi
Just because bike TBs are a cheaper route doesn't mean they're a lesser route, we have tested various TBs and manifolds, and found bike TBs to be far superior in some cases. Surely performance is more important than looks in my view. If you just want looks go buy MAX POWER !

I have tuned/built & mapped enough engines in my time not to be discouraged by some individuals comments when they know NOTHING !

Regards

Craig Stephens

DYNO-DEVELOPMENTS

Ive seen quite alot of bike bodied engines run alot less power, one of the main issues people seem to have has A been getting the manifold and bodies mating properly without having steps in the system which are not warrented (which is mostly when itinially people were just using tubing to mate the two), and then the old faviourite issues with throttle linkages.

So yes thats knowing NOTHING.

If you want to have a discussion then feel free if you want to start an argument then it looks very good for your companies image, as I dont actually recall me saying anything about performance other than the fact that normal bodies without all of the clips and bolt on bits look sexyer

12th September 2009, 15:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by craigatdyno-developments

Hi
Just because bike TBs are a cheaper route doesn't mean they're a lesser route, we have tested various TBs and manifolds, and found bike TBs to be far superior in some cases. Surely performance is more important than looks in my view. If you just want looks go buy MAX POWER !

I have tuned/built & mapped enough engines in my time not to be discouraged by some individuals comments when they know NOTHING !

Regards

Craig Stephens

DYNO-DEVELOPMENTS

LOLZ @ that comment......oh dear.

12th September 2009, 15:45

sorry ryan but you have a 200bhp saxo vts! that shows you are not worthy! you know NOTHING!

12th September 2009, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin_172

sorry ryan but you have a 200bhp saxo vts! that shows you are not worthy! you know NOTHING!

*vt'R'

12th September 2009, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin_172

sorry ryan but you have a 200bhp saxo vts! that shows you are not worthy! you know NOTHING!

People have high spec cars through money it doesnt allways mean they know anything. However I have done some research when i went down the bodied route and have allways taken an interest into different peoples set ups and designs.

So lets not turn this into the usual sax-p kiddiefest

12th September 2009, 15:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

On topic this threads going to be discussed as it can be percieved as advertising for a business which is against the forum rules unless you are an affiliate.

I was thinking the same thing. When Leda came on here showing off there new suspension there post with treated with great hostility by the mods with there post deleted and the thread locked when all they were doing was showing off a new strut. So why not the same for these guys?

12th September 2009, 15:58

oki

tho to be fair getting 170 on bike bodies is a good achievement!

12th September 2009, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevin_172

oki

tho to be fair getting 170 on bike bodies is a good achievement!

People have got more power on bike bodies, but they have been totally different cam profiles

12th September 2009, 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by AXracing

I was thinking the same think. When Leda came on here showing off there new suspension there post with great hostility by the mods with there post deleted and the thread locked when all they were doing was showing off a new strut. So why not the same for these guys?

At the moment there is no direct link to a website, no sales going on just a discussion.

Im discussing it with the guys as im trying to be fair.

AT power had a discussion thread when they released their bodies

12th September 2009, 16:14

To be fair to the guy, he probably does know much more than most of us...

The bit of kit looks to be properly designed and thought out, it's a proper solution spacing the bodies correctly etc and looks to be well made. The price isn't bad either considering what parts it comes with. I'm sure something could be negotiated anyway.

12th September 2009, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

At the moment there is no direct link to a website, no sales going on just a discussion.

Im discussing it with the guys as im trying to be fair.

AT power had a discussion thread when they released their bodies

I see, Sounds fair enough

Bit off topic but I am now wondering why Ledas post was deleted by Mark51 as Leda posted in the correct section were not selling and did not even list a price. This is all that is left of there post http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...highlight=leda It just seems like its our loss to frighten companies such as them away.

12th September 2009, 21:06

Hi all
I will have to reply to your comments, i must admit to initially taking offence to Ryans first post, But he did slate our product in a way. I have many years of engine development & mapping experience, and a masters degree in motorsport engineering so i do know a little. I admit our TB kit is mated with silicon piping but they are coupled rigidly and none of the fuel/air charge passes through any tubing, also the inlet tract is smoothed by hand and aligned perfectly.

The whole system was designed using CFD and countless hours on a Dyno.

We have only recently started dealing with this engine and are progressing quickly.

No offence was intended, but i think mutual respect would be nice.

Regards

Craig

Dyno-Developments

12th September 2009, 21:33

I think if you got some sort of discount for members on here, people may be interested. But they will always go for the cheaper, and although Sandy Browns is only £20 cheaper, its still a saving.

And there is still much cheaper ways of doing this, although it mightent get as good results, but i think people are willing to live with that for the saving.

12th September 2009, 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

I think if you got some sort of discount for members on here, people may be interested. But they will always go for the cheaper, and although Sandy Browns is only £20 cheaper, its still a saving.

What most people wont look at though is the position of the bodies on the manifold, and how close the butterfly is to the head etc...

There are many many factors involved in bodies, but I agree the current market they are 'cool' and £££ speaks over most things with a vast proportion of this community

And regarding the slating of the product, I dont quite see how saying that other bodies look better is slating them myself.

12th September 2009, 21:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan

What most people wont look at though is the position of the bodies on the manifold, and how close the butterfly is to the head etc...

There are many many factors involved in bodies, but I agree the current market they are 'cool' and £££ speaks over most things with a vast proportion of this community

Unfortunatly it is the way know, people are willing to skimp and buy cheaper alternatives even if they arnt as good. CREDIT CRUNCH ANYONE!?

Only just noticed: What are the pieces of poorly cut silicone under the clips for?

12th September 2009, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123

Unfortunatly it is the way know, people are willing to skimp and buy cheaper alternatives even if they arnt as good. CREDIT CRUNCH ANYONE!?

Only just noticed: What are the pieces of poorly cut silicone under the clips for?

Silicone is generally used to attach the bike bodies to the inlet manifold, due to the way the bike bodies are deisnged/made this is generally the easyest way people find to mate the two together.

12th September 2009, 22:06

Hi guys

we are working on an alternative way of attaching the components as i know it looks better and the majority of people dont like them. Development will continue.

Regards

craig

12th September 2009, 22:10

There is potential there mate, not taking that away from them.

13th September 2009, 21:36

Craig,

I manufacture the Predator PnP ECU for the 16v Saxo, and it's ideal for running bodies like these.

I've got a fair few out there currently, a lot of prople on this forum actually, and I've done a few throttle body conversions; so if you've got a 'demo' set I can put them on my demonstrator, do some dyno runs and offer up my opinion on them. I'll then either buy them, return them unmarked or offer them as a PnP kit!

PM me if you're interested. It takes a lot of time and patience to build a strong reputation on here, but once you have they are great people!!

Kind regards

Andy

13th September 2009, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthor1

Craig,

I manufacture the Predator PnP ECU for the 16v Saxo, and it's ideal for running bodies like these.

I've got a fair few out there currently, a lot of prople on this forum actually, and I've done a few throttle body conversions; so if you've got a 'demo' set I can put them on my demonstrator, do some dyno runs and offer up my opinion on them. I'll then either buy them, return them unmarked or offer them as a PnP kit!

PM me if you're interested. It takes a lot of time and patience to build a strong reputation on here, but once you have they are great people!!

Kind regards

Andy

Hi Andy

That sounds good to me, it may take a while as i'm waiting for 5 sets to be manufactured, but when they are done i will send up a set. We are working on a new method of attatching the whole set up as i know most are not keen on silicon piping.

regards

craig

dyno-developments

13th September 2009, 22:03

Unfortunately Craig there are a lot of people selling junk out there and like Andy says it can take time to build up a good reputation. I would love to see your kit on a few cars to get a more subjective view on them as they do look the part

15th September 2009, 03:21

Very interesting kit... Good price too. I used to have a VTR on Jenveys, currently building a VTS track car and after much research i think bike throttle bodies are going to be an option. How long does it take you to fabricate these kits?

The trumpits are a bit long maybe? I would be looking at using ITG indervidual socks, you say the trumpits are hand matched, but if they are too long for the application and then cut to length does this not undo the hand matched work?

18th September 2009, 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkEB

Very interesting kit... Good price too. I used to have a VTR on Jenveys, currently building a VTS track car and after much research i think bike throttle bodies are going to be an option. How long does it take you to fabricate these kits?

The trumpits are a bit long maybe? I would be looking at using ITG indervidual socks, you say the trumpits are hand matched, but if they are too long for the application and then cut to length does this not undo the hand matched work?

Hi
we have re-designed the kit to eliminate the silicon joiners, we will post new images once we have tested them.

regards craig

18th September 2009, 20:20

craig is it only ali you make it in or could you make it in something like mild to lower cost a bit as a one off?

18th September 2009, 20:59

will their soon be some available for the vtr? where are you based? the name craig stephens ring a bell.. are you from luton?

18th September 2009, 21:24

should do a kit for the 1.4 TU engines

18th September 2009, 21:52

these look immense a love bodies GROAAARRRR!!!!

18th September 2009, 22:47

pnp kit would be v exciting.
chop chop fellas!

5th October 2009, 22:16

Any update on the testing of the updated version? How are they compared to the original version with silicone joiners?

Function over form in my eyes, which ever works better...

5th October 2009, 22:28

(computantional fluid dynamics) lmfao
adam

5th October 2009, 23:09

sandy browns look better, and cheaper arent they?

25th March 2010, 07:31

is this still alive????????????????

25th March 2010, 12:34

no, dead

25th March 2010, 13:19

would be very intrested if a set came up for the 1.4 engines

25th March 2010, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

would be very intrested if a set came up for the 1.4 engines

NO !!! 16v it

25th March 2010, 14:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

NO !!! 16v it

haha +1

25th March 2010, 14:45

i want to but i dont

biggest and toughest decision i have faced in my life so far i think haha

25th March 2010, 14:48

chris is selling an 8v throttle body set up....

25th March 2010, 14:50

ye i looked at that... i cant afford anythin at the mo

25th March 2010, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

ye i looked at that... i cant afford anythin at the mo

nooo dont get bodies go 16v! you'll love it you no your heart wants it lol u need a decent engine to test those 4 pots of yours lol

25th March 2010, 15:01

haha ye thats what ikeep thinkin its a waist to have them and not use them properly...

25th March 2010, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

haha ye thats what ikeep thinkin its a waist to have them and not use them properly...

they are pieces of art tho lol just funny ive got a 16v with standard brakes and you have 4 pot brakes with a 1,4 lol hmmmm i think both of us need to do a bit of thinking haha im gonna get some 266mm brakes soon once student loans come through, i dont think i can justify brakes like yours lol

25th March 2010, 16:16

mmmm used to lock up loads with the old set up.... was on a decent wage thought id treat myself

.... atleast they dont go down in value that much

25th March 2010, 21:20

I read earlier in the thread that people make the manifold for £150? I am very interested in the throttle bodies route and at the minute I am needing a manifold made up but not wanting to spend £500+ on this option. Trying to do it on a budget, do those users mensioned by AXRACING i think it was still make these inlets? ty

25th March 2010, 21:22

dont belive they are user's

think there tuners/fabricators.

google

25th March 2010, 21:24

doh.....

newbie mistake

ty