bigger cc

12th September 2009, 15:35

does anyone know what bottom end and off what you could put onto a vtr blacktop? something like a 1.8 or 1.9?? and what it intails??

just curious trhats all

many thanks

12th September 2009, 15:38

as an upgrade for bigger cc i mean sorry

12th September 2009, 15:38

you can buy 1800cc stroker kits. not cheap.

or you can fit different engine

12th September 2009, 15:39

You cant just bung on a random bottom end tbh, the TU range is quite small the bigger engines are from a different family.

12th September 2009, 15:43

somrthing like a xantia bottom end or xcanta ??

would they work and would you get gains worth doing???

12th September 2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by biggee1988

somrthing like a xantia bottom end or xcanta ??

would they work and would you get gains worth doing???

no mate, completly different engine.

only ways really are stroker kits or fit a different engine. no cheap or easy way round this.

12th September 2009, 15:53

if you get a bigger engine itl cost crap loads in fabrications etc.
plus itl be heavier and wont get full lock and a whole lot of crap.
bigger cc = stroker kit like already said really.

12th September 2009, 15:56

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Originally Posted by littleracer

if you get a bigger engine itl cost crap loads in fabrications etc.
plus itl be heavier and wont get full lock and a whole lot of crap.
bigger cc = stroker kit like already said really.

what about b18 engine? thats lighter yet more cc. so is a rover k-series (1.8) and also ford duratec... all these engines are lighter yet more cc. they are not however a ametuer fit and require a LOT of custom work

12th September 2009, 15:57

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Originally Posted by littleracer

if you get a bigger engine itl cost crap loads in fabrications etc.
plus itl be heavier and wont get full lock and a whole lot of crap.
bigger cc = stroker kit like already said really.

Not alllways the case. The issues with the full lock is usually down to the gearbox being used (so gti-6 conversions).

Not all of the bigger cc engines are massively heavy, some of the newer ones dont weigh an awful lot more, KAM had the specs of the weights on them not that long ago.

12th September 2009, 17:16

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Originally Posted by dannygti

what about b18 engine? thats lighter yet more cc. so is a rover k-series (1.8) and also ford duratec... all these engines are lighter yet more cc. they are not however a ametuer fit and require a LOT of custom work

i was mainly comparing to the xsarah 2l lump which if iirc is heavier.

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Not alllways the case. The issues with the full lock is usually down to the gearbox being used (so gti-6 conversions).

Not all of the bigger cc engines are massively heavy, some of the newer ones dont weigh an awful lot more, KAM had the specs of the weights on them not that long ago.

yeah the gearbox is longer then the MA ones so is alot of work/fabrication.

12th September 2009, 17:17

got a 1.3 engine you can have... and lets jsut say you'll be knobbing the majority of cars in the road, not jsut other lil boy racers around your town

small, can be easily modded, and modded Heavily!

hayabusa FTW!

12th September 2009, 17:19

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Originally Posted by littleracer

yeah the gearbox is longer then the MA ones so is alot of work/fabrication.

Just use the 5speed.

12th September 2009, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Just use the 5speed.

xsarah engine can only use BA gearbox IIRC?

can GTI-6 engine use MA box?

12th September 2009, 17:25

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Originally Posted by littleracer

xsarah engine can only use BA gearbox IIRC?

can GTI-6 engine use MA box?

BE boxes, the xsara and gti-6 are effectively very similar.

No it cant as the GTi-6 isnt a TU is it

Theres a few gti-6 engined cars out there running 5speed BEs.

12th September 2009, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Ryan

BE boxes, the xsara and gti-6 are effectively very similar.

No it cant as the GTi-6 isnt a TU is it

Theres a few gti-6 engined cars out there running 5speed BEs.

ah cool,so does GTI-6 engine need re fabricated mounts like xsarah,iam guessing yes.

sorry for thread hi jack btyw lolz.

12th September 2009, 17:31

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Originally Posted by littleracer

ah cool,so does GTI-6 engine need re fabricated mounts like xsarah,iam guessing yes.

sorry for thread hi jack btyw lolz.

Yes of course it does, its the same family, so will have engine mounts in different positions to that of the TU. Any decent fabricator can do the work though, ryan cooke had a nice xsara rallye on RR although i dont know if he ever finished it.

12th September 2009, 23:02

why bother with a bigger engine when after fabricating costs you could get a booooost setup

13th September 2009, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Hewitt20

why bother with a bigger engine when after fabricating costs you could get a booooost setup

Because you can poot a bigger engine in then add boost to that

13th September 2009, 16:29

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Originally Posted by AXracing

Because you can poot a bigger engine in then add boost to that

hehe

i really do want to see some people doing different things.
we are miles behind all the other car "marques" in terms of tuning and engine conversions. i can only think of a handful of 106/saxo's that use different engines.

i myself will be doing something very different, even if i dont know what it is yet lol

13th September 2009, 16:32

Yeah but they all have epic engine bays and massive engine ranges to choose from

13th September 2009, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

Yeah but they all have epic engine bays and massive engine ranges to choose from

i can think of several engines that are plenty small and compact enough to fit in our bays...

you see 20v turbo engined renault 5's, v-tec mini's, v8 engined westfields etc.
we have plenty space to work with.

13th September 2009, 16:47

Relatively simple engine swaps are the PSA XU range and the Rover K series. Possibly some of the other rover engines that are the same format as the K series.

A little more complicated to fit but a engine with great potential is the 2.0 or 2.3 Mazda/Ford Duratec. Not as simple to fit but a totally standard engine with carbs for throttle bodies strapped on with give you over 200bhp out of the 2.0 and is bomb proof. Its also a very common and cheap engine.

13th September 2009, 16:53

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Originally Posted by AXracing

Relatively simple engine swaps are the PSA XU range and the Rover K series. Possibly some of the other rover engines that are the same format as the K series.

A little more complicated to fit but a engine with great potential is the 2.0 or 2.3 Mazda/Ford Duratec. Not as simple to fit but a totally standard engine with carbs for throttle bodies strapped on with give you over 200bhp out of the 2.0 and is bomb proof. Its also a very common and cheap engine.

i agree, the k-series being one of the lightest engines in its class is a great option in my eyes.

i use/build tb'd duratec engines at work all the time to go into the westfields.. they are very light and compact and like you say produce great power. a friend has a 2.0 duratec with a paul dunnel engine in his westie and it has 298bhp n/a..... shows theres plenty potential.

honda engines will be making their way into 106/saxo's soon

13th September 2009, 17:02

How much of an arse is it in wiring terms? Can you just bring all the fuseboxes and dials etc across, power and earth everything up and jobs a goodun? Must be difficult to get heaters to work etc?

13th September 2009, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Ben_Saxo

How much of an arse is it in wiring terms? Can you just bring all the fuseboxes and dials etc across, power and earth everything up and jobs a goodun? Must be difficult to get heaters to work etc?

you just try and use as much as the saxo/106 loom as possible then make up a engine harness to suit.. (not as simple but thats the idea) if things become a ball ache then just invest in standalone ecu.

14th September 2009, 03:29

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Originally Posted by dannygti

you just try and use as much as the saxo/106 loom as possible then make up a engine harness to suit.. (not as simple but thats the idea) if things become a ball ache then just invest in standalone ecu.

Or just go standalone, on a honda engine with boddies & 9k rpm... Mmmmmmmmm

14th September 2009, 14:47

its probably a muchness of muchness over the cost of a stroker kit or a different engine, but with an engine change you will most certainly need to factor in an alternate ecu, fabrication work etc.
The stroker kit is a wicked bit of kit, I reckon 220+ n/a is very easy to achieve, and a forced induction version would be pretty trick.

Kev

15th September 2009, 05:48

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

its probably a muchness of muchness over the cost of a stroker kit or a different engine, but with an engine change you will most certainly need to factor in an alternate ecu, fabrication work etc.
The stroker kit is a wicked bit of kit, I reckon 220+ n/a is very easy to achieve, and a forced induction version would be pretty trick.

Kev

Are you talking about the TU engine Kev? and with which cams? would it still have any midrange left?!! lol