brake system upgrade choices?

1. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

   #1 21st September 2009, 10:30

   iv currently got standard vts brake setup but i dont think its that good and want to upgrade to something better, can you suggest some setups i could upgrade to? and give me a guide price for this setup.
   
   Also, what will i need to change? Is it just calipers and disks or is it more??
   
   My mate has the GTi6 setup and he said its shit hot.
   
   Also, whats the size of VTS discs?
2. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

   #2 21st September 2009, 10:41

   266mm discs (306 and xsara sport models):
   Early type(fitted to cars made before year 2000 and some later cars too, all lucas calipers and some bosch)
   
   Disc size: 266mm
   Disc thickness: 20.5mm
   Disc overall height: 27.9mm
   Offset: 7.4mm
   
   Late type(fitted to most cars after 2000 with bosch calipers)
   
   Disc size: 266mm
   Disc thickness: 22mm
   Disc overall height: 34.5mm
   Offset: 12.5mm
   
   283mm Discs:
   
   Early type(Gti6 & Xsara VTS lucas calipers):
   
   Disc size: 283mm
   Disc thickness: 22mm
   Disc height: 27mm
   Offset: 5mm
   
   Late type(206 GTi180, most 307s bosch calipers)
   
   Disc size: 283mm
   Disc thickness: 26mm
   Disc height: 34mm
   Offset: 8mm
   
   The standard discs on a vts are 247mm. For a full setup you will need, calipers, carriers, discs and pads, would be worth getting some braided lines aswell.

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3. Raz Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Darlington Posts: 8766 Icelandic Grey Citroen Saxo VTS

   #3 21st September 2009, 10:44

   Good info right there ^^
   
   
   
   The GTI-6 set up is quite heavy in comparison to the 266mm set up or a 4pot set up.
4. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

   #4 21st September 2009, 10:45

   Do i need to change the master cylinder? dont know what that is just read it somewhere.
   
   How come the first 2 setups you mentioned have 266mm discs and then you said vts's have 247mm discs? what cars come with 266mm discs then?
   
   Could i get calipers and carriers from a scrap yard? And just new pads and discs? Dont really know what cars id be looking at at a scrap yard though would it be a 306 or something?
5. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

   #5 21st September 2009, 10:46

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Raz Good info right there ^^ The GTI-6 set up is quite heavy in comparison to the 266mm set up or a 4pot set up.

   It is indeed, i got hold of some gti-6 calipers the other week and wasn't expecting them to be so heavy. Nearly dropped it on my foot lol.
6. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

   #6 21st September 2009, 10:49

   the 306 xsi has 266mm brakes. If you're not sure just take a tape measure to the scrappy with you and measure the diamater of the discs before you strip the caliper off.
   
   You don't have to change the master cylinder if you don't want to. It's all about personal preference with the pedal feel.

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7. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

   #7 21st September 2009, 10:50

   Oh sorry you said the 266mm discs are on 306s and xsaras. So if i go to a scrapyard i would need to grab callipers and carriers from a sporty 306 or xsara.
   
   when people upgrade their brake systems to they just do the front brakes?
8. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

   #8 21st September 2009, 10:50

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by CooperVTR the 306 xsi has 266mm brakes. If you're not sure just take a tape measure to the scrappy with you and measure the diamater of the discs before you strip the caliper off.

   thanks matey
9. user_12308 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 The Lang Toun Posts: 4133 Mk2 Clio V6 #007 of 354

   #9 21st September 2009, 10:51

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by kyle_d when people upgrade their brake systems to they just do the front brakes?

   mainly yeah as the front brakes do most of the braking effort
   
   mini but when changing the brake setup on a vts do you loose the abs capabilities?
   just that i'll be upgrading the brakes on my vts over the winter, and am looking into various setups but that thought just popped into my head
10. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

    #10 21st September 2009, 10:53

    There is no point in changing the rear brakes as they only do about 10% of the breaking, also the discs are no bigger than those on other cars such as the 306gti-6.
11. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #11 21st September 2009, 10:54

    Okay any ideas on a rough price for just the calipers and carriers from a 306 xsi? And would this be a very noticeable upgrade compared to standard vts setup?
    
    Do i need to change the master cylinder?
12. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #12 21st September 2009, 10:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtpagey mini but when changing the brake setup on a vts do you loose the abs capabilities?

    i hope not.
13. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

    #13 21st September 2009, 10:56

    would be somewhere in between 30-40 for the calipers.
    You don't have to change the master cylinder if you don't want to. It's all about personal preference with the pedal feel.
14. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #14 21st September 2009, 11:05

    30-40 from a scrap yard?
    
    ok thanks for all the help mate im not very clued up with mechanics.
15. CooperVTR Frequent Poster Joined: May 2007 Telford Posts: 864 Gold Saxo VTR

    #15 21st September 2009, 11:07

    alright mate, no worries
16. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #16 21st September 2009, 11:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtpagey mainly yeah as the front brakes do most of the braking effort mini but when changing the brake setup on a vts do you loose the abs capabilities? just that i'll be upgrading the brakes on my vts over the winter, and am looking into various setups but that thought just popped into my head

    No you don't as the sensor is on the driveshaft not the disc
17. martin1977 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Aberdeen Posts: 155 Evo 8 FQ300 (3 of) Civic Type R BMW M3 Convertib

    #17 21st September 2009, 11:14

    I've recently purcahsed a set of GTi-6 Callipers and disks, will be fitting these in the next two weeks once they've been delivered. Will report back on the affectivness of the upgrade once complete. The ABS function will not be altered by doing this.
    
    Also, I replaced my MAster Cylinder with the GTi-6 23mm item on Saturday, only difference in this is the "pedal feel". Braking distances haven't been shortened any I'd say, however the pedal feels better (i.e- not as much travel). personal preference and worth the £25 to upgrade in my opinion.
18. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #18 21st September 2009, 11:14

    I've looked into this quite for my track car build actually.
    
    283mm gti6 setup is heavier than the 266mm, but i think the enhanced braking will more than make up for it. My set will also be fitted with DS2500 or Carbon Lorraine RC5+, Mintex M1144 pads on the rear & Maxtorq Grp N discs all round. The braided lines will then be filled with Castrol Response Super Dot 4.
    
    Not sure on whether ill change the master cylinder as of yet ...
    
    Should stop on a six pence then!!
19. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #19 21st September 2009, 11:15

    thanks, did you buy your setup brand new? bet that wasnt cheap if so lol.
20. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #20 21st September 2009, 11:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kyle_d thanks, did you buy your setup brand new? bet that wasnt cheap if so lol.

    Gti6 discs/pads, carriers & calipers were £65 off ebay (fingers crossed they are in decent condition!!) and ill be ordering the rest from Kam Racing at some point ... the rest wont be cheap though
21. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #21 21st September 2009, 11:32

    Thats alright! Was that a one off auction or from a trader?
22. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #22 21st September 2009, 11:35

    It was a one-off auction, but the chap was also advertising on 106 owners ...
    
    Best having in the parts for sale section of www.306gti6.com
    
    Also 266mm ones at £50 here: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/peugeot-206-gt...d=p3286.c0.m14
    
    
23. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #23 21st September 2009, 11:42

    Iv already seen those and sent him a message thanks mate I just asked abotu postage.
    
    Is there anything else id need if i bought that 266mm setup?
    
    Also, will they fit under 14s? Im currently on vtr rims but looking to get 15s eventually.
24. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #24 21st September 2009, 12:09

    Yeah thats the benefits of the 266's - they fit under 14s ...
    
    Should just bolt on as far as im aware
25. kyle_d Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2008 Leeds Posts: 746 157bhp mk2 cammed VTS.

    #25 21st September 2009, 12:24

    oh okay thanks pal
26. McPikie Infrequent Poster Joined: Dec 2005 Manchester United Kingdom (England) Posts: 201

    #26 21st September 2009, 13:04

    Think I may opt for the 266mm set up for my VTS, as I dont fancy a load of extra weight adding to them. Got my 23mm master cylinder on the way, just need to get some DOT4 and some braided lines now