engine wont start after fitting? wiring

  1. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #1
    my mate put a vts engine in his vtr but there are 3 wirs that dont go anywhere so these look to be the problem
    i think because the vts is from a mk2 and hes put it in a mk1 is why they are not fitting but what do use think

    heres some pics
  2. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #2
    number one is the main loom multiplug so if thats not plugged in nothing will happen
    number 2 is the charcole canister in the wing
    number 3 is a lamda sensor (probably the after cat one in the exhaust)
  3. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #3
    the first one has no where to go as there is too of that types on the engine loom and only one on the car
  4. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #4
    its a 106 gti engie then if its got 2 plugs
    youll need an appropriate saxo loom for the car
  5. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #5
    alright so just buy a vts engine loom?
  6. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #6
    You need to get the right loom as they differ across the models
    get one from the same year car as the vtr
  7. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #7
    ok thanks il tell him what to do cheers
  8. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #8
    No worries
  9. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi
    #9
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AlexB View Post
    number one is the main loom multiplug so if thats not plugged in nothing will happen
    number 2 is the charcole canister in the wing
    number 3 is a lamda sensor (probably the after cat one in the exhaust)
    number 3 is the power steering pump isnt it?
  10. Infrequent Poster Joined: Mar 2008 porthcawl Posts: 100 white mk1 saxo vts Black mk1 vtr turbo
    #10
    number 3 is defo lambda sensor
  11. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #11
    think its abit far away for steering pump

    i think it will be lamda as he didnt get one with loom now that i think about it
  12. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #12
    It is 100% the second lamda sensor

    I've played with enough engine looms now to know that

    it won't matter not having one there though
  13. L-plater Joined: Feb 2009 evanton Posts: 41 saxo vtr
    #13
    do you mean the 3rd one?
  14. West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL
    #14
    Yes the third plug (which should be near the back of the thermostat housing) is what has been questioned
    and it is a lamda sensor
  15. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #15
    Just wanted to bump this thread after reading this, I've bought this exact engine and now knowing its a 106 gti engine surely it will be easier for me to fit it to an R Reg Rallye? I know nothing about looms so if anyone could help me out i'd appreciate it alot.
  16. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #16
    Bump? ....
  17. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #17
    well did the guy replace to loom with a vts one? if so then no it wont plug in to your car but if you still have the gti loom which is the same plug type as your rallye then yea it'll fit.

    basically what loom came with the engine and what loom do you have on your car

    people should do a little research when buying 16v engines everything would be plug and play if you bought the right engine for your car, it took me a couple days to do mine and started first time and im not exactly mechanically minded
  18. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #18
    Cheers man! It's the same as the pictures above posted in the first post, Which is a multi plug? So guessing thats a 106 engine yeah? Hopefully will be pretty straight forward, Main reason for buying was it was a good price and was local to me
  19. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #19
    double post
  20. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #20
    well they are all multi plug lol basically im guessing the engine is a single plug ecu loom as well as you original loom??

    and have a look at the where the engine loom connects to the interior loom does your car have 1 plug or two plugs? and how many plugs does the new engine loom have?

    if the looms are both single plug ecu looms and both have either 1 or 2 black multiplug connector son them then yea you'll be fine and it'll be easy
  21. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #21
    oh yea im guessing you didnt manage to sell the rallye then?
  22. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #22
    Decided not to sell it man, Just deserves some love and care, so 8 valve out engine all rubbed down then time for some 16v + Pugsport,

    I've no idea about the Rallye looms as i've not taken the 8v out yet. But i'm sure we could find out, R Reg S2 Rallye
  23. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #23
    well its an r reg so it will be a single plug ecu loom the only thing you need to check is how many black connectors it has 1 or 2? you don't need to take the loom out you just have to open the bonnet and look lol

    ive spent another grand on my saxo after you turned it down ;( lol new dampers, brakes, bushes, wheels, cambelt, torsion bar is being lowered a bit more, and its going back to the body shop to do some more painting
  24. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #24
    Stupid question but where are the black connectors on my car? If you could tell me i can go out and look/take pics right now, Your car is nice man but i just realised how much i like the 106 and now that i found that 16v engine so close to home i just had to do the conversion, Cannot wait to get it on the road!
  25. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #25
    look at the bottom right hand side of your engine bay

    then look down and behind the passenger head light you will see this black connector basically is there one or two, as you can see there is only one on my vtr (but some have 2 as you can see next to mine there is a circle cut out of the metal for cars with two connectors
  26. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #26


    Just a guess but think the engine i picked up is ideal, Because that picture shows 2 plugs and the engine i picked up has two similar plugs.
  27. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #27
    then its spot on mate as long as your new engine loom has a single plug for the ecu and two big black connectors then you'll be fine, basically as long as the two looms look the same you'll be fine and it'll be a straight swap
  28. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #28
    Hopefully be as straight forward as that, That was the first thing i looked at on the engine noticed it had two plugs and couldn't figure that out, The boy put it in a mk1 vts and obviously the engine wouldn't work with him as the loom was entirely different, So hopefully it will work fine with me
  29. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #29
    yea dont worry it'll work, the last owner only had to buy a mk1 vts loom and fit it then see which connectors were different then swap the connectors over wouldnt have been too hard

    if you bought mine the conversion has already been done haha sorry ill stop now lol now ive got these new wheels and suspension/brakes im falling back in love with it lol
  30. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #30
    As long as your so confident i'll take your word for it lol, I need to get an exhaust manifold and vts airbox.
  31. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo
    #31
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Krys_23 View Post
    As long as your so confident i'll take your word for it lol, I need to get an exhaust manifold and vts airbox.
    better start to advertise in the wanted section then lol mandyslover always seams to have anything you need every time i post something up there hes always like ive got some lying around in the workshop he must have a few saxos broken down in bits in that workshop haha

    when are you gonna do the conversion? i would offer my services but we live quite far away lol
  32. Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543
    #32
    The car will be getting to the garage possibly tonight or sometime during the week, Engine will be out this week and will be rubbed down and prepped for paint, Then 16v will be in and shizz.