130bhp from a vtr.. how ???

1. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #1 29th September 2009, 20:00

   my mate has a mk2 vtr, all its got is full supersprint exhaust system 4-2-1 manifold and a oil cooler and it got 130bhp on the dyno, it beats vts's all day long, could the car be cammed??
2. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

   #2 29th September 2009, 20:08

   Could be. More likely a badly set up dyno as it would need fairly substantial work to reach 130bhp
3. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #3 29th September 2009, 20:12

   it was dyno'd at french car show this year, when he drives it fast then stopes the idle revs up and down on its own and i heard that meens its cammed
4. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

   #4 29th September 2009, 20:20

   the dyno at fcs was pretty shit! you would no if the car was cammed as it would not idle at all.
5. DannyBSaxo Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Milton Keynes Posts: 155 1999 Saxo VTR

   #5 29th September 2009, 20:24

   if it idles up down up down then its probably cammed
6. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #6 29th September 2009, 20:25

   130bhp off an 8v deffo screams aftermarket cam, or rollers as accurate as a loo roll and cotton wheel
7. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

   #7 29th September 2009, 20:26

   Wrong. If it "hunts" on tickover, that could mean almost anything. "If" it's cammed and running rough, then it's not been remapped so will never make 130bhp that way.
8. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

   #8 29th September 2009, 20:27

   Mine idles like a bag of shit at the moment.
   
   Standard cams.
9. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

   #9 29th September 2009, 20:29

   we going to take off the rocker cover have alook, because this car is quickkk..must be cammed
10. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #10 29th September 2009, 20:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by col101 Wrong. If it "hunts" on tickover, that could mean almost anything. "If" it's cammed and running rough, then it's not been remapped so will never make 130bhp that way.

    Wrong! just becasue it does not idle perfect does not mean its not remapped. mine could not be mapped any more perfect without a stand alone ecu yet it still bounces on idle.
11. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #11 29th September 2009, 20:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron Wrong! just becasue it does not idle perfect does not mean its not remapped. mine could not be mapped any more perfect without a stand alone ecu yet it still bounces on idle.

    should hear mine idle lol.
    
    chug chug chug
12. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

    #12 29th September 2009, 20:50

    it beat a decat 106 gti aswell, cant get my head around it
13. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #13 29th September 2009, 20:56

    i think 130 from a vtr is quite easily achievable.
    
    there was a rallye running 130hp still an 8v
14. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #14 29th September 2009, 20:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankie i think 130 from a vtr is quite easily achievable. there was a rallye running 130hp still an 8v

    yeah but wasnt on standard cam.
    
    Ive seen 145bhp 8vs.
15. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #15 29th September 2009, 21:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan should hear mine idle lol. chug chug chug

    must be that you ent had a remap man!lol
    
    sandy has managed 160 out a 8v
16. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #16 29th September 2009, 21:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan yeah but wasnt on standard cam. Ive seen 145bhp 8vs.

    didnt reliase we where on about standard cam's
    
    one's bad.
    
    the bloke i bought my manifold off, think his 8v was running 160-165, he said he done a track day not long back and got 6 mpg.....
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 29th September 2009, 21:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron sandy has managed 160 out a 8v

    so 150 on others rollers then
18. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #18 29th September 2009, 21:31

    lol yea more then likely, still a good result seeming it is missing 8v's
19. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #19 29th September 2009, 21:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron lol yea more then likely, still a good result seeming it is missing 8v's

    John from GMC had over 150 out of a 1.4AX many many years ago, and iirc it was standard inlet to (NA)
20. Kev_Vtec Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2009 norfolk Posts: 3116 my drifter M3 rep :D saxo vts eh glad its gone,

    #20 29th September 2009, 21:34

    my vts ticks over chug chug aswell thinking this is a normal fault?. since i got the headgasket fixed etc etc, its also remaped.
    chugs like a train lol
21. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #21 29th September 2009, 21:35

    john is a legend but standard inlet? as in the crappy plastic thing they come with?
22. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #22 29th September 2009, 21:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron john is a legend but standard inlet? as in the crappy plastic thing they come with?

    well single butterfly.
    
    AX racing will have a bit more info on different 'race' engines john churned out a few years ago.
    
    although again gmcs rollers have a rep for reading a touch high (but johns work has a rep for being better than most)
23. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #23 29th September 2009, 21:40

    o yea he has a brilliant rep.
24. tipvts Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 244 saxo vts 106 gti c5

    #24 30th September 2009, 06:30

    id say your mate has a defo cammer iv seen loads of vtr reching 130 nearly all cammed
25. Slammed_Posi_Vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 Royal Tunbridge Wells y0 Posts: 2602 Icelandic VTR

    #25 30th September 2009, 11:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tipvts id say your mate has a defo cammer iv seen loads of vtr reching 130 nearly all cammed

    Isnt as easy as you may think though mate, my old spec was pretty big and was still only pulling about 125-130, probably could have managed more with a better remap tbh... an idea:
    
    1.6 8v Silvertop Engine
    Piper 285 Camshaft
    Port & Polished Stage 3 Head
    Simota Induction Kit
    Competition Head Gasket
    Competition Springs & valves
    Vernier Pulley
    Hi-Flow Heads Lightened & balanced flywheel
    Oil Breather Filter
    4-1 Stainless Steel GMC Manifold
    Peco Stainless Steel Dual-Exit Exhaust System
26. tommyhilla Newbie Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 2

    #26 30th September 2009, 12:04

    I dont think you would get 130bhp from just a cam. I had a 1.6xsi with upgraded cam (cant remember type) R6 bike carbs and lightened pulleys and that was only just over 140
27. jordysaxobby Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 stafford Posts: 929 mk 2 1.4 cammed vts conversion, mk 1 mango westcoa

    #27 30th September 2009, 13:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron the dyno at fcs was pretty shit! you would no if the car was cammed as it would not idle at all.

    cammed cars do idol ino sum one with a cammed vts tht idols
28. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #28 30th September 2009, 14:25

    It needs to be a pretty big cam to reach that with an 8v.
    
    I reckon it might just be a mix of a mild cam, and an over reading dyno.
29. starletcal Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 rugeley staffordshire Posts: 207 rare ass cool td winterhack for the min

    #29 30th September 2009, 16:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shady22 we going to take off the rocker cover have alook, because this car is quickkk..must be cammed

    Lmfao... NO
    
    how do you own a 240brake glanza? is it still on stock turbo ye?
30. vtrlogan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Ely~ Posts: 4591 Mantis Blue VTR

    #30 30th September 2009, 17:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Slammed_Posi_Vtr Isnt as easy as you may think though mate, my old spec was pretty big and was still only pulling about 125-130, probably could have managed more with a better remap tbh... an idea: 1.6 8v Silvertop Engine Piper 285 Camshaft Port & Polished Stage 3 Head Simota Induction Kit Competition Head Gasket Competition Springs & valves Vernier Pulley Hi-Flow Heads Lightened & balanced flywheel Oil Breather Filter 4-1 Stainless Steel GMC Manifold Peco Stainless Steel Dual-Exit Exhaust System

    it was running 117.3bhp at fly when i got it lol..
    
    the cam wasnt even working.. as the timing was out by miles, but with my de-cat, raceland with green induction, crapy ported throttle body and raised limiter. its running 128bhp at fly lol..
    
    Also the fly wheel was skimmed by .2 off a kg and now its 4.7 instead off the 5.5 standard
    
    Hid tuning reckon it hasnt been mapped, and if it had its been mapped to run standard cam.. so hasnt been done very well! hopfully pred should be happening then will be dyno remap
31. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

    #31 30th September 2009, 18:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starletcal Lmfao... NO how do you own a 240brake glanza? is it still on stock turbo ye?

    no its not stock, its got pretty much everything done to it, forged, bigger turbo the lot, i didnt do the work though i brought it how it is
32. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

    #32 30th September 2009, 19:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan should hear mine idle lol. chug chug chug

    lol same as mine, thinks its a 1.5 N/A Diesel until it hits about 3k haha
33. pjm300 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2005 Potters Bar United Kingdom (England) Posts: 2749 T/B'd VTS

    #33 30th September 2009, 19:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan so 150 on others rollers then

    lol
    
    penis
34. starletcal Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 rugeley staffordshire Posts: 207 rare ass cool td winterhack for the min

    #34 30th September 2009, 20:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shady22 no its not stock, its got pretty much everything done to it, forged, bigger turbo the lot, i didnt do the work though i brought it how it is

    Bigger turbo? t66?
    
    Lmfao.. i take it td04, whats your spec?
35. col101 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 York Posts: 768 VTR

    #35 30th September 2009, 21:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by col101 Wrong. If it "hunts" on tickover, that could mean almost anything. "If" it's cammed and running rough, then it's not been remapped so will never make 130bhp that way.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron Wrong! just becasue it does not idle perfect does not mean its not remapped. mine could not be mapped any more perfect without a stand alone ecu yet it still bounces on idle.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Aron must be that you ent had a remap man!lol

    No where did I say that a not perfect idle with a cam means it's not been remapped. I said that hunting (not chugging) could be any number of faults, and only after you said that a cammed car would not idle at all which I took to mean it stalls with no throttle?
36. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

    #36 30th September 2009, 22:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starletcal Bigger turbo? t66? Lmfao.. i take it td04, whats your spec?

    
    Wiseco Racing Low Comp Forged 74.5mm Pistons
    Wiesco Racing Piston Rings, Pins and Clips
    Scat Forged Conrods with ARP 2000 Connecting Bolts
    2mm Metal Headgasket (unsure if Zep or Cruise)
    New Complete Cambelt/Tensioner/Idler Kit
    New Head Bolts
    New Toyota Full Engine Gasket Set
    New Toyota Oil Seals
    New Water Pump
    New Toyota Oil Pump
    New Oil Pressure Switch
    New Thermostat
    New Toyota Valve Stem Oil Seals
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    Crank Reground(if needed) and Polished
    Block Professionally Rebored and Crosshatch Honed
    Cylinder Head Professionally Rebuilt
    Block chemically Cleaned and Painted
    Rocker Cover Chemically Cleaned and Painted
    Sard 330cc Injectors
    NGK Iridium HR8 Plugs
    TRD Red Leads
    Blitz Nur Spec R
    
    WEPR TD04 Evolution Mani
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37. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #37 1st October 2009, 01:36

    dyno at fcs was pretty shit!!
38. starletcal Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 rugeley staffordshire Posts: 207 rare ass cool td winterhack for the min

    #38 1st October 2009, 02:31

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shady22 Wiseco Racing Low Comp Forged 74.5mm Pistons Wiesco Racing Piston Rings, Pins and Clips Scat Forged Conrods with ARP 2000 Connecting Bolts 2mm Metal Headgasket (unsure if Zep or Cruise) New Complete Cambelt/Tensioner/Idler Kit New Head Bolts New Toyota Full Engine Gasket Set New Toyota Oil Seals New Water Pump New Toyota Oil Pump New Oil Pressure Switch New Thermostat New Toyota Valve Stem Oil Seals New Uprated ACL Bearings ( Mains, Bigends and Thrusts) Crank Reground(if needed) and Polished Block Professionally Rebored and Crosshatch Honed Cylinder Head Professionally Rebuilt Block chemically Cleaned and Painted Rocker Cover Chemically Cleaned and Painted Sard 330cc Injectors NGK Iridium HR8 Plugs TRD Red Leads Blitz Nur Spec R WEPR TD04 Evolution Mani WEPR TD04 Decat TD04 Turbo Tial 38MM Wastegate Screamer Pipe WEPR FMIC HKS Replica Dump Valve

    haha silver one? i remember it for sale... toytuning engine.. be carefull.. lol
39. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #39 1st October 2009, 08:18

    dyno results can be taken with a pinch of salt.. if you mod the car and compare results on the same dyno you can gain some meaningful comparisms..
    
    I used to organise RR days for another car club and the figures for the first 2 at one particular RR were pretty much spot on what we'd expect. Then RR number 3 a car mag came down. The dyno was put on shootout mode and everyone's car improved lol..
    
    I through those slips away as my car came in at 217bhp.. 12 up on the previous day
40. Slammed_Posi_Vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 Royal Tunbridge Wells y0 Posts: 2602 Icelandic VTR

    #40 1st October 2009, 10:18

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vtrlogan it was running 117.3bhp at fly when i got it lol.. the cam wasnt even working.. as the timing was out by miles, but with my de-cat, raceland with green induction, crapy ported throttle body and raised limiter. its running 128bhp at fly lol.. Also the fly wheel was skimmed by .2 off a kg and now its 4.7 instead off the 5.5 standard Hid tuning reckon it hasnt been mapped, and if it had its been mapped to run standard cam.. so hasnt been done very well! hopfully pred should be happening then will be dyno remap

    Really? So have you sorted out the cam timing now then? A nice improvement in power there, sounds like what it should have been running in the first place tbh. The figures i had were from the previous guy who owned it once its mapped it should be lurvly... you still holding out for the pred then?
41. shady22 Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 luton Posts: 812 Cammed vts

    #41 1st October 2009, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by starletcal haha silver one? i remember it for sale... toytuning engine.. be carefull.. lol

    na its black..darren burwash built it mate, had it awile never had any problems yet