lets try again vtr block to vts cylinder head conversion

1. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #1 1st October 2009, 19:02

   rite hopefully second time lucky. im doing a vtr block to vts cylinder head conversion.
   i have a mk2 vtr block.
   Question = which vts cylinder head should i use MK1 or 2.
   
   all internal components WILL be uprated i.e
   high comp pocketed pistons rods
   lightened balanced crank
   cat cams
   all bolts arp's.
   etc etc money no object project will be done when its done. please dont just tell me to get the vts block because that would be the easy option i want to do it this way.
   cheers
2. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

   #2 1st October 2009, 19:03

   why do it like this, it will be very very expensive and make minimal difference
3. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

   #3 1st October 2009, 19:04

   Im pretty sure the stud pattern on the head is different too fella
4. gouldy87 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3932

   #4 1st October 2009, 19:07

   plus if your previous thread had been locked and you start another exactly the same you will get an infraction/ ban. dont believe me? search for "cam timing and mapping" by me and ginge
5. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #5 1st October 2009, 19:08

   why are you doing it this way? is it in order to comply to some sort of race series regulations? Otherwise i can't see the point
6. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #6 1st October 2009, 19:13

   it wasnt closed because of the question lol. it wont be expensive as i was building a high spec vts engine anyway. stud pattern is the same. block is identical. i no that i have to move cam tensioner but the hole is ther for it already tapped out. and i no i have to change crank pulley. oh forgot to ask do i have to change the crank sensor to a vts 1.
7. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #7 1st October 2009, 19:17

   nope not for race series just building a fast road car. probably do a few track days tho. i live on an island there are no vts engines on the island. plus why not do it this way its the exact same block its going to be the same finished product at the end. even if i got a vts block it would be getting ripped apart and start from scratch again anyway.
8. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

   #8 1st October 2009, 19:42

   anyone no this answer
9. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #9 1st October 2009, 19:58

   the coolant passages dont match between the head and block. it just doesnt work mate.
10. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

    #10 1st October 2009, 20:05

    but how can they not its the exact same block. VTR block + VTS block = hmm wot do u no THE SAME.
11. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #11 1st October 2009, 20:08

    ive done the same but with low comp pistons so i know where your coming from easy to do and can be done ...dont think people understand why buy a new bloke when everything is nearly the same ...my thread has a few pics of how its done i did mine because i had a fucked vts block but a awesome vtr one so swaped everything over what i needed

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12. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #12 1st October 2009, 20:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeM the coolant passages dont match between the head and block. it just doesnt work mate.

    yes they do
13. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

    #13 1st October 2009, 20:11

    cheers m8. which vtr block / vts head did you use.
14. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #14 1st October 2009, 20:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Colin Im pretty sure the stud pattern on the head is different too fella

    stud patten is same.. vtr gasket different but thats for oil pressure as the vts block has different piston oil sprayers and need more pressure
15. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #15 1st October 2009, 20:13

    i used a vtr and vts mark 1 engines single plug ecu
16. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

    #16 1st October 2009, 20:18

    thats rite bout the oil pressure did you uprate the oil pump. is the pump in the mk1 chain driven like the mk2. im thinkin of just going for it with th mk2 vts head and see what happens.
17. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

    #17 1st October 2009, 20:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boabVTR but how can they not its the exact same block. VTR block + VTS block = hmm wot do u no THE SAME.

    why bother making a thread if you know everything. prick
18. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #18 1st October 2009, 20:30

    oil pump is same mark 1 and two are chain driven ...the block of a mark vtr1 is the same as vts mark 1 ok whats different i shead some light on this as you seem to be getting some silly info
    crank is same as vtr bore stroke are all the same
    piston rods same two
    
    whats different
    
    oil piston jets different
    piston heads different
    cam belt side you need the crank cambelt pully
    and swap all the tenchioner over
    but the block all ready has the taped holes for it
    as there the same
    ok now the dip stick hole needs needs to be made bigger and drill out for crank breather
    when you put it back together use the vts head gasket not a vtr one that will sort the pressure out for the pistion oil feeds
    hope this helps
19. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

    #19 1st October 2009, 20:33

    look lee why say sumthing when you quite clearly dont no what your talkin about.
    anyway i will answer your question even tho your the prick. its just i wasnt sure if you could mix n match the heads with the blocks between th different mk's
20. boabVTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 isle of bute Posts: 585 project saxo vts, escort gti,

    #20 1st October 2009, 20:37

    cheers matey thats helped loads.
21. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #21 1st October 2009, 20:49

    http://www.peugeotclub.info/forum/vi...p?f=68&t=33515
22. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

    #22 1st October 2009, 20:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boabVTR cheers matey thats helped loads.

    no problem glad to help