will a C2 VTS engine fit into a saxo vts?

1. FisherVTS Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Milton keynes Posts: 1633 Saxo 1.6 16v VTS

   #1 1st October 2009, 22:46

   Hi everyone
   
   i was just wondering can you fit a C2 vts engine into a saxo vts?
2. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #2 1st October 2009, 23:00

   its not a simple bolt in job no but it can be done, and you need saxo parts still.
   
   You use the saxo ecu and loom, tap the head and use the J4 inlet manifold, also use the saxo sump and a few other bits
3. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

   #3 2nd October 2009, 00:30

   i thought that its a straight swap maybe not then lol
4. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #4 2nd October 2009, 00:56

   Also the bottom end on the C2 lump is shite.
   
   I can build and if required fit the perfect 16v base for tuning, a C2 head on a Saxo/106 bottom end, and replace as many seals, gaskets, rings etc and fit whatever you want along the way such as uprated cams. PM me if interested
5. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #5 2nd October 2009, 11:04

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jeffchiz i thought that its a straight swap maybe not then lol

   lol not a chance.
6. sliderz Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2007 warrington Posts: 722 saxo vts turbo

   #6 2nd October 2009, 11:18

   loads different wont fit engine mounts are different and probably loads more not to clued up on this but no engine mounts need sorting
7. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

   #7 2nd October 2009, 11:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ryan its not a simple bolt in job no but it can be done, and you need saxo parts still. You use the saxo ecu and loom, tap the head and use the J4 inlet manifold, also use the saxo sump and a few other bits

   Couldnt you juse use the JP4 inlet and sump if its the complete engine Ryan?
8. bensvarups Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Chorley / Lancashire Posts: 618 mk2 VTR converted to VTS

   #8 2nd October 2009, 11:23

   Yes it can definately be done, my brother has a throttle bodied C2 VTS engine in his 106 GTI
9. user_5470 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2005 Cardiff Posts: 627 Track VTS - C1 Runabout ;)

   #9 2nd October 2009, 13:34

   I'm just curious as to why the c2/jp4 bottom
   ends are shite compared to j4. Anybody know? Cheers
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 2nd October 2009, 19:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rushy_23 Couldnt you juse use the JP4 inlet and sump if its the complete engine Ryan?

    If you want to convert the throttle set up, and have a manifold which doesnt link up with the exhaust.
11. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #11 2nd October 2009, 19:09

    Aye the Jp4 sump is massive and weak as fuck too somehow. And electric throttles are gayyyy
    
    
    Ryan_g86, the pistons are domed and dont have valve cutouts so your limited on how high lift the camshafts you fit are (J4 ones have cutouts and are supposedly stronger too although I cant verify that part myself). The rods are also thinner and weaker and arent fully floating like J4 ones are.
12. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #12 3rd October 2009, 01:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan If you want to convert the throttle set up, and have a manifold which doesnt link up with the exhaust.

    What does the "inlet manifold" have to do with the exhaust Ry?
    
    Reread your first post. Maybe Ive misread..
13. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #13 3rd October 2009, 01:16

    Hes on about the fact the exhaust mani is a lot longer/deeper, as is the sump, so basically the C2 exhaust mani will be scraping along the floor attached to nothing.
    
    Hence the J4 mani and J4 sump
14. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #14 3rd October 2009, 01:17

    I see. Original post mentioned inlet manifold.
    
    Never mind. Carry on lol..
15. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #15 3rd October 2009, 01:19

    lol its all gravy. You thinking of going JP4?
16. rushy_23 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Aug 2004 West Mids Posts: 15392 '98 EK9 N1

    #16 3rd October 2009, 01:22

    Nope. Not much point in my position. Happy with my J4 as is it. Well if the covers stop leaking
17. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #17 3rd October 2009, 14:22

    rushy you mong
    
    I didnt mention the word inlet in the post regarding the sump