cams or vts lump.. i cant decide

1. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #1 5th October 2009, 22:51

   i have a mk1 vtr and i now have the opportunity to put some more horses into my car..
   been offered two things:
   
   either put a
   silvertop vtr head from 03 vtr
   brand new piper 285 camshafft
   piper valve springs
   3 way angle valve seats
   head ported and polished
   titanium valve caps
   
   and when i get some more money a series 1 rallye inlet manifold on it and a re-map
   
   or
   
   put a standard VTS engine in
   
   i was thinking the new head at first as it will literally just slide on a a little bit of adjusting and a new cambelt, head gasket and head bolts which will all together cost about 500 pounds
   
   i then thought it will be just as fast as a vts..
   the only problem is i dont want to be running into any problem when fitting the new engine.
   i will need to buy a new clutch, cambelt, new manifold ect on it.. and run the risk of driving it without the engine declared,, i would declare it but my insurance will go through the roof as im only 18.
   this will probably cost around 650+ but i could also cam it in a few months and make it even faster..
   
   what do you lot think...
2. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #2 5th October 2009, 22:57

   if you arent declaring mods then none of the above. you will have to declare all the cams and stuff like that which will cost the same as a vts to insure, after i sold all the bits i tyook off my conversion cost me about £50 but i got my engine cheap
3. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #3 5th October 2009, 23:02

   yer i know what you mean
   im only 3rd party fire and theft and when i did crash last year they weren't even bothered about my car..
   
   i think im going to ring the insurance company up and see what they quote me tomorrow...
   thanks for advise anyways
4. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #4 5th October 2009, 23:06

   my avice is declare eveything. if you are and we're talking best power/£ then a vts engine is the easiest and best option.
   if you arent declaring then fuck off posting it in public lol
5. PhoenixSaxo Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Ninfield, East Sussex Posts: 384 Black Vtr.. 03 Impreza

   #5 5th October 2009, 23:07

   I dont mind staying 8v so i also cammed mine
   
   Was a silvertop, But its currently a Blacktop Head with uprated springs with a
   CatCams 4901133 Cam, S1 Inlet, Piper 4-1 Mani and a magnex exhaust system.
   
   I was told the blacktop head is better to use, the only problem was you will need to pot your pistons as they may touch.
   
   Im happy with my results tho
   
   
6. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #6 5th October 2009, 23:23

   just did a quote online with my insuance company quinn direct
   high lift cam lol was and extra 24 pound a month
   and non standards engine 41 pounds a month more
   
   so basically a extra 250 pounds to add cams
   and 420 for a vts engine...
7. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #7 5th October 2009, 23:27

   Vts engine every time. Sell the vtr and just buy a vts.
8. Tufty Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Watford Posts: 2033 Black Furio, Amazon Green VT-S Road Beast

   #8 5th October 2009, 23:53

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Steve_VTS Vts engine every time. Sell the vtr and just buy a vts.

   Makes sense
9. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #9 6th October 2009, 00:01

   i have my car exactly how i want it.
   dont wan to go through the hassle of looking all day and night for a new car.
   took me ages to find my current one!!
10. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #10 6th October 2009, 01:44

    Black top head >> silvertop btw
11. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #11 6th October 2009, 02:23

    Drop vts lump in,and enjoy that 16v power..........
12. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #12 6th October 2009, 11:41

    16v will always be better than a cammed 8v imo
13. vtrsam L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 northwich Posts: 47 vtr (cammed and slammed)

    #13 8th October 2009, 12:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toms_vtr i have my car exactly how i want it. dont wan to go through the hassle of looking all day and night for a new car. took me ages to find my current one!!

    
    got mint set of vts wheels for sale if ur intersted mate x
14. vts_crazy L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 47

    #14 8th October 2009, 12:31

    vts lump
15. vtrlogan Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Ely~ Posts: 4591 Mantis Blue VTR

    #15 8th October 2009, 12:32

    8v yooooooo
    
    keep 8v all the way!
16. chrisg L-plater Joined: Sep 2009 Hull Posts: 55 Honda Civic 3dr 1.4i (Failed D16z6 1.6 vtec conver

    #16 8th October 2009, 13:19

    I think i'd cam it, new springs/retainer etc just for the fun of it, I like that sort of thing tobh
17. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #17 8th October 2009, 13:23

    am i the only one that noticed he wants a rallye inlet on a 98bhp head or have i missed a post? thats the reason andy head is in the forsale sectioon, he want5s a blacktop to fit the rallye inlet
18. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #18 8th October 2009, 13:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by blackie_2k5 am i the only one that noticed he wants a rallye inlet on a 98bhp head or have i missed a post? thats the reason andy head is in the forsale sectioon, he want5s a blacktop to fit the rallye inlet

    will a rallye inlet not fit on a 98 bhp head?
19. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #19 8th October 2009, 13:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toms_vtr will a rallye inlet not fit on a 98 bhp head?

    totally different port spacings.

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20. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #20 8th October 2009, 13:53

    No. only fits blacktops and early 90hp silvertops.

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21. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #21 8th October 2009, 13:54

    ohh i see.
    i would never or noticed lol
    thanks
22. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #22 8th October 2009, 13:58

    im in the same boat to.
    
    im more towards putting a 16v lump in though :s
23. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #23 8th October 2009, 14:01

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankie im in the same boat to. im more towards putting a 16v lump in though :s

    Do it, everyone who tunes 8vs then goes, I wish id done it to a 16v lol
24. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #24 8th October 2009, 14:04

    ed-zachy.
    
    i think that was the deciding comment.
    
    
25. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #25 11th October 2009, 17:25

    16v power tom