Poll: Induction Kits

1. Phils_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Braintree, Essex Posts: 1936 Mk1 Golf Clipper on fire - '04 EP2 Civic Sport

   #1 12th October 2009, 15:28

   I think for power gains the open cone filters have now been established to make much more sound than power, and suffer from heak soak. Right?
   
   I currently have an open filter (pipercross specifically) and love the sound it gives. I am currently saving a few pennies for an exhaust system and hopefully i'll get a nice tone and performance from that which means I can change the open filter for an enclosed one or a panel filter.
   
   What i'd like to know is which type of filter (panel/enclosed) would be better for gains?
   
   And which type of enclosed or panel would be better?
   (Pipercross viper kit, K&N Gen2, BMC CDA...)
   
   Also, could you give reasons for your choices? Thankyou
2. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #2 12th October 2009, 15:34

   The enclosed kits will mostly help when the car is slow moving or stationary with the engine running. When a car is moving the enginebay is nearly at ambient temperature. The benefit of the enclosed kits is they will not suck in air as it passes through the radiator or over the hot engine. As long as there is a good airfeed from the front of the car there should not be too much difference between most kits.
   There will not be a massive difference between kits.
   
   Kev
3. Barry123 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2005 Aycliffe Posts: 32205 Saxo VTS

   #3 12th October 2009, 15:34

   much of a muchness to be honest man... best value is a panel filter really. The enclosed inductions cost a bomb in comparison and the performance gains are dubious at best.
4. Phils_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Braintree, Essex Posts: 1936 Mk1 Golf Clipper on fire - '04 EP2 Civic Sport

   #4 12th October 2009, 15:39

   Panel filters are fitted inside the standard air filter box, right? Just wanna clear that up.
   
   And there is such a big difference in price though? I mean panels are cheap as.. but enclosed are quite pricey although if they were better id be willing to pay the price really
5. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

   #5 12th October 2009, 15:41

   A panel filter can be just as good, depending on the flow from it to the engine and the design of the air feed to the filterbox itself.
6. Phils_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Braintree, Essex Posts: 1936 Mk1 Golf Clipper on fire - '04 EP2 Civic Sport

   #6 12th October 2009, 15:48

   Is there a big difference between different branded panels? Its not like theres much difference in price..
   
   And have you seen those green cotton cone filters? How do they differ from regular cones? surely they'll be just as noisy and heatsoaky? >.<
7. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

   #7 12th October 2009, 16:15

   ive had various induction kits fitted to my vts, ive never had a dyno test done but i found alot of them to create flatspots especially at higher revs.
   
   i now have the k&n generation 2 and i have to say it seems really good, the filter seems to keep cool, the air feed is good and it makes a good sound. Im very pleased with this setup.
   
   James
8. Phils_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Braintree, Essex Posts: 1936 Mk1 Golf Clipper on fire - '04 EP2 Civic Sport

   #8 12th October 2009, 16:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by J222JRA ive had various induction kits fitted to my vts, ive never had a dyno test done but i found alot of them to create flatspots especially at higher revs. i now have the k&n generation 2 and i have to say it seems really good, the filter seems to keep cool, the air feed is good and it makes a good sound. Im very pleased with this setup. James

   Great comment
   I've heard good things about them, thanks for the input
9. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

   #9 12th October 2009, 16:20

   no problem mate, that kit came highley recommended by,
   
   Kam,
   Manic motor,
   And abp motorsport @ Nantwich who are saxo specialists.
10. Phils_VTR Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Braintree, Essex Posts: 1936 Mk1 Golf Clipper on fire - '04 EP2 Civic Sport

    #10 12th October 2009, 19:41

    Thanks for the comments; more views appreciated
11. fraggle_VTR Regular Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Wales Posts: 448 2002 Saxo VTR, 2000 mango forte

    #11 12th October 2009, 22:12

    i've looked into this myself, and after a bit of searching and different ideas,
    i'm going for a green cotton panel filter and derestrict the airbox by giving it a larger air feed pipe into the airbox, by using a tube that you owuld use to an induction kit,
    apparently gives nice smooth results and avoids heatsoak meaning no flatspots!
    wont make the noise but if you're getting a system you wouldn't hear an open cone anyways
12. SaxoJamie Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 Sussex Posts: 3891 2x 106 GTi

    #12 12th October 2009, 22:19

    panel filter the way forward. you can get one for a quarter of the price of a flashy aftermarket enclosed kit that might only gain you an extra 1-2bhp but cost £80 more. Panel filter, smoothed out airbox and a really good cool air feed will yield the best power to £-£ ratio