In The Wet

12th October 2009, 18:26

wats everyones saxo like in the wet?

i slide so much round corners all front end, not driving fast, got new tyres, 195s wide so not skinny things,

will it do anything after i get it lowerd?

just frustrates me sliding all the time

12th October 2009, 18:27

i dont slide cause i go carefull in the wet, im on vtr rims

12th October 2009, 18:39

yeah i think its the only way t stop it with the saxos simple just slow it down dont try racing and keep the revs as low as possible round bends and roundabout also remebering not to power out of a corner mines lowered 55mm and if i drove fast in the wet im sure it would still slide as iv pushed it on that edge a couple time and have slid this is also with proxies.

12th October 2009, 19:15

even going round a corner with no revs end front end seams to slide, dont know if this threads ben mislead but im not on about me flooring it round corners in wet,just my grip is really bad n front end too slidey

12th October 2009, 19:42

low profiles? as they dont 'give' as much as bigger profiles in the wet.

And no revs means your car will be slowing down with the engine, which means more weight transferred to the front when cornering. A little bit of throttle keeps the weight even, and pulls the front end around.

12th October 2009, 19:53

what tyres are you runing

12th October 2009, 19:55

argh okay

n 195/45/15s

12th October 2009, 20:07

what kind? shit tyre = shit grip

12th October 2009, 20:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackie_2k5

what kind? shit tyre = shit grip

can also be down to the suspension.

i run good tyres, but have a 'lively' rear end in the wet shall we say, sideways on corner entry.

and my standard saxo doesnt act like this before some noob starts talking about lift off oversteer.

12th October 2009, 20:33

totally agree but if hes just bought new tyres finding the make and model to see if there decnt is a good place to start

12th October 2009, 20:42

forgot the makes but they are alryt tyres not cheap or part worn, got 4 new ones not long ago, about 60quid a tyre

my car is standard hieght at mo, but with rear stripped

12th October 2009, 20:45

uniroyal rainsport 2's here.

Fucking spot on in the wet.

But yes, other tyres can be bloody exciting in the wet.

13th October 2009, 11:24

Check tyre pressures buddy, higher pressures make for poorer grip, okay when dry because you get good feedback etc but in the wet no good. It makes more of a difference than you think. Take them down to 34psi ish for the winter and see how you go,. If still no good get some quality tyres. Mine are junk, it will spin up in 3rd on greasy roads in the wet and it's only a standard VTR. Good luck with it mate

13th October 2009, 11:32

Mine doesnt really move and can push it fairly hard in the wet (although i prefer not to).

I drove a VTR with same tyres (faulken 912) as mine but on different suspension and the rear was lively to say the least.

Check your tyre pressures and adjust your driving to suit the conditions is my advice.

13th October 2009, 11:32

n when setting off if i set off with revs over say 2.5rpm i shal spin n then have to let off or all hell brakes loose,

as for tyre pressure my tyres are all at 33

13th October 2009, 11:43

theres currently some enduro tyres on the front of my car. never had any problems. all about driving style imo

13th October 2009, 12:22

my saxo's were awesome in the wet, used to run toyo proxies or yokie's on them.

never moan about handling in the wet until you have driven a heavy powerful rwd car!

13th October 2009, 12:27

Roundabouts when wet...scare me!

I slide all the time, think I should slow down

13th October 2009, 14:10

I dont tend to understeer so much in the wet, but my rear end is always stepping out in the wet...not fun!

13th October 2009, 15:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

n when setting off if i set off with revs over say 2.5rpm i shal spin n then have to let off or all hell brakes loose,

as for tyre pressure my tyres are all at 33

lol thats poor driving then, i use no where near that amount of rev's to pull away.

Course the wheels are going to spin.

13th October 2009, 16:29

My saxo goes every where in wet and just goes when u least expect it.

13th October 2009, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by karl-antro

My saxo goes every where in wet and just goes when u least expect it.

Surely to fuck you shouldn't be on the road?

13th October 2009, 16:42

No i do control it fine and it isnt loads just little slide here and there on roundabouts

13th October 2009, 16:45

I don't suppose you have an engine bay strut brace, the only reason i can think of mine being so flighty for oversteer in the wet is that because it has a strut brace at the front and this keeps the front end nice and in check, however on the rear i havent got anything causing the back end to be wollowy and skippy, all about the torsional rigidity yo

13th October 2009, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

even going round a corner with no revs end front end seams to slide, dont know if this threads ben mislead but im not on about me flooring it round corners in wet,just my grip is really bad n front end too slidey

yeh man same. does my head in!!!

13th October 2009, 18:22

i dont have a strut brace but getting car lowerd this weekend

13th October 2009, 18:33

In heavy rain and even snow you can get to the point the base model saxo can out handle any of the sporty models. The thing is in these conditions skinny tyres and soft suspension help massively. Also driving style has to change significantly in these conditions. If you try to drive it like its still dry you will get in trouble very quickly.

13th October 2009, 18:47

im not driving fast which ive stated a few times!

even going slow, im on 195/45/15, which i said before

car getting lowerd at back this weekend

front is standard hieght, no strut braces

rear stripped

just wondering if any1 else has this problem, or how to solve it

not about driving speed etc, as i said im n flooring it round corners in the wet or obv i would be sliding, or going round corners in 1st at high revs

13th October 2009, 18:53

Hmm my saxo handles pretty damn well in the wet if you ask me, standard height.

13th October 2009, 18:55

It's probably down to the conditions more than you or your car. The roads have been greasy of late.

13th October 2009, 19:10

Sliding on front is normally down to power or brakes. You may have just underestimated how little grip there really is. If your trying to brake even a little whilst turning or accelerating whilst turning it can slide out. Its all a balancing act and it does not take much of a input to throw a cars balance out of wack in the wet. The saxo is a feather weight so even 195 are very wide tyres. This tends to make the car want to slide in rain. I say this as its most likely just down to the way your driving the car as a standard Saxo VTR will oversteer is provoked. Though if your positive its not your driving I would look at your pressures as they can make a massive difference to a car dynamic. Also if you have odd tyres on this can make for odd dynamics. If you have changed any suspension parts double check there the correct parts. Also check your rear ARB bolts as if one had fallen out or snapped it will greatly increase rear grip and so give you conic understeer. Also if you have problems with your dampers this can do odd things too.

13th October 2009, 19:32

im going to see whats its like after this weekend when i get rear lowerd, then i will be buying a strut brace, n will let you knwo the difference if any,

14th October 2009, 09:03

Simple question.

What make are the tyres? If you answer this, you will probably answer your initial question.

14th October 2009, 09:06

I try and avoid driving it in the wet, its no fun. Too tail happy tbh.

14th October 2009, 09:23

If your sliding about so bad that your worried then I personally feel your not driving properly in those conditions. Not having a go or anything.

I know my car isnt brilliant in the wet, but logically I know the road will be more greasy and slippy. So I just adjust my driving to suit. Braking a lot earlier and taking my time around corners.

Rather than blame the car or tyres I can 90% pin point the problem being the way your driving the car. You may say your driving slow, but whats driving slow? Are you using the full width of your lane when making turns or are you hugging the inside, do you turn sharply when making corners.

Good driving is all about balance. All IMO so dont take it personally..

14th October 2009, 10:00

from the comment of "the wheels spin when pulling away at 2.5k" i wouldnt say he is adjusting driving to suit

14th October 2009, 10:04

lol I pull away at 1.2-1.5k dry or wet...

And saxos can be quite good in the wet, depending on tyres, suspension and driving style.

There are a lot of tyres about that are pretty crap in the wet.

14th October 2009, 10:05

Yea thats what caught my attention. Religiously at every set of lights?

14th October 2009, 10:56

could be a number of things what tyres you running and suspention?

ive got bilstien group n dampers lower'd around 40mm,goodyear gs3 eagle f1s and i can push my car almost as hard in the wet as i can in the dry

14th October 2009, 12:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushy_23

Yea thats what caught my attention. Religiously at every set of lights?

if you want to be a bell end, at least read what i said properly, i said lets say IF not that i do it all the time so why act a cock about it?

il get the name of my tyres now, people who are replying properly thanks

tyres are called event

14th October 2009, 12:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

from the comment of "the wheels spin when pulling away at 2.5k" i wouldnt say he is adjusting driving to suit

comment above goes to you aswell,

i dont fly around the corners, im not doing 30 round them in the wet, im not turning last minute, which ive already stated

14th October 2009, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

comment above goes to you aswell,

i dont fly around the corners, im not doing 30 round them in the wet, im not turning last minute, which ive already stated

I am a cock, because you over rev the car to pull away?

Its YOUR driving, enough said.
If your car isnt capable of going fast or remotely quick in the wet then SLOW down.

Are you coasting round the corner, are you applying any gas, are you on the gas going into teh corner and lifting off, are you braking half way around the corner.

All things to take into account.

Most tyres are shite in the wet, try a different tyre.
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's for instance.

google tyre review site and have a look about.

No need to go calling people cocks.
/thread close

14th October 2009, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

tyres are called event

This ^^^^^ is your problem. Your tyres are utter sh1te. The handling/wheelspin will get even worse when you lower it. Buy new ones before you crash. Toyo T1R's arent exactly expensive, ie £37 delivered from Camskill.

People forget, no matter how amazing your Bilstein/AST/Intrax suspension is, if your tyres are pants, nothing is holding you onto the road lol

14th October 2009, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

I am a cock, because you over rev the car to pull away?

Its YOUR driving, enough said.
If your car isnt capable of going fast or remotely quick in the wet then SLOW down.

Are you coasting round the corner, are you applying any gas, are you on the gas going into teh corner and lifting off, are you braking half way around the corner.

All things to take into account.

Most tyres are shite in the wet, try a different tyre.
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's for instance.

google tyre review site and have a look about.

No need to go calling people cocks.
/thread close

if you read yet again, which i stated, say IF (<<that word there) i was to set off at 2,5k i was spin like mad

14th October 2009, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_dave

This ^^^^^ is your problem. Your tyres are utter sh1te. The handling/wheelspin will get even worse when you lower it. Buy new ones before you crash. Toyo T1R's arent exactly expensive, ie £37 delivered from Camskill.

People forget, no matter how amazing your Bilstein/AST/Intrax suspension is, if your tyres are pants, nothing is holding you onto the road lol

thanks you i proper reply

all i wanted, argh okay, wondered why i was so bad in the wet, i dont mind paying over 200 for a set, so whats best you reakon?

14th October 2009, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

thanks you i proper reply

all i wanted, argh okay, wondered why i was so bad in the wet, i dont mind paying over 200 for a set, so whats best you reakon?

Try some of these threads:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sea...archid=3109012

14th October 2009, 13:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_VTS

I am a cock, because you over rev the car to pull away?

Its YOUR driving, enough said.
If your car isnt capable of going fast or remotely quick in the wet then SLOW down.

Are you coasting round the corner, are you applying any gas, are you on the gas going into teh corner and lifting off, are you braking half way around the corner.

All things to take into account.

Most tyres are shite in the wet, try a different tyre.
Uniroyal Rainsport 2's for instance.

google tyre review site and have a look about.

No need to go calling people cocks.
/thread close

Agree hole heartedly with this.

Think of it like this. When it snows and the road is covered in snow and ice the smallest input from the brake, throttle or wheel can make the car slide. You don't have to be going fast or revving the nuts off the car. This is why there are so many crashes when it snows. Its not because cars cant drive in the snow its because people are driving way to aggressively with out even knowing it. The same is true in the rain to a lesser extent. When its wet even a small amount of throttle even if your within the speed limit can often be enough to push your car past the level of grip you have. Again this is why there is more chance of a accident in the wet than the dry. People often just don't get that they are a lot closer to the limit of what there car can do.

14th October 2009, 13:47

sounds like nothing more than tyres, my tyres i currently have (came with the wheels) are rubbish in the wet

14th October 2009, 14:47

events are the problem lol they are utter shite mate

proxies or good year,rainsports ect..are all good tyres

20th October 2009, 16:24

i have to say i owned a 52 reg clio befor my saxo and that never slid out however wet, but when i steped in my saxo i had to learn to retain myself agian as shes a bit of a beast in the wet. any chance after market ABS can be installed?

20th October 2009, 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokey247

i have to say i owned a 52 reg clio befor my saxo and that never slid out however wet, but when i steped in my saxo i had to learn to retain myself agian as shes a bit of a beast in the wet. any chance after market ABS can be installed?

can install abs off a VTS.

However i took mine off, its shit. Sensors fuck all the time.

20th October 2009, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaxoKez

if you want to be a bell end, at least read what i said properly, i said lets say IF not that i do it all the time so why act a cock about it?

il get the name of my tyres now, people who are replying properly thanks

tyres are called event

My comment about "religously at every set of lights" was obviously a small dig/joke.

However your post states "if" you pull of at X amount of revs.. Why not just drive normally in the wet rather than trying to launch your car at certain revs? I have owned shit tyres for ages. Google them if you wish, they are called Aurora. Probably nobody has heard of them, they are shite in the wet. After driving on them a few month I got used to them and I know what they are NOT capable of doing.

Hence why I said you adjust your driving style to suit your car and conditions. My car feels good in the dry and Im confident to push them hard then, proven on the track. On the day to day roads in the wet I just take it easy and have NEVER had an issue.

This is why I find it so strange that your car skids everywhere. If that were the case then I'm sure your car is a harzard on the roads?