Is a 106 GTI quicker than a VTS?

1. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

   #1 26th October 2009, 15:58

   First off I know they have the same engine lol
   
   But on every web site i have looked at it seems that the GTI has a quicker 0-60 time by a few tenths off a second - so it doesn't just look like a random fluke of 1 driver shifting slightly later - generally quicker by a small margin from the stats i have found on 0-60 times.. I am merley asking is this the case? as it's interesting as they have the same engine.
   
   IF this is the case is it because the 106 GTI is lighter slightly and it runs 14s where as the mk2 VTS runs 15s I believe?
   
   everyone who I know that has driven a gti over a vts say it handles better and that are slightly lighter so anyone that has driven both is this the case or is there nothing in it and just preference like most things?
   
   I want to know as I'm interested as I want a VTS for a next car and my friend currently has a 106 GTI.
2. LeeM Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2008 Liverpool Posts: 7393 Black Corsa C SRi

   #2 26th October 2009, 16:05

   same engine, same shell and same spec. some 106's have a thicker rear arb i think. from what ive seen most sites list the 106 as having a slower 0-60 than the vts
3. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

   #3 26th October 2009, 16:06

   Oh right probably down to the driver then.
4. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #4 26th October 2009, 16:08

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by lukeyyyyyyy21 Oh right probably down to the driver then.

   no. pug tested with less petrol and passengers hence quicker times (maybe citroen that claims to be quicker)
   
   these threads piss me off
5. craig180p Yorkshire Joined: Dec 2005 West Yorkshire Posts: 31079 1989 Golf GTi Clipper

   #5 26th October 2009, 16:10

   Negligable difference and too many factors have to be taken into consideration
6. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

   #6 26th October 2009, 16:13

   VTS dicks all over a GTi......
   
   
   Citroen ftw bwaaaaaaaarp.
7. user_22887 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 276 saxo vtr 03 plate artic silver saxo vts 99

   #7 26th October 2009, 16:16

   i can only tell you off my experience. me n a friend went though to crail, me in the vts n him in his gti, both only had induction kit and exhaust. my fastest was 14.7 n his was 15.4....thats quite a difference (and my car had higher miles aswell about 88,000!)
8. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

   #8 26th October 2009, 16:17

   gti on a track is arguably faster but by almost nothing, it's just down to price and personal pref on looks that seperates em really
9. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #9 26th October 2009, 16:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by rwillis89 i can only tell you off my experience. me n a friend went though to crail, me in the vts n him in his gti, both only had induction kit and exhaust. my fastest was 14.7 n his was 15.4....thats quite a difference (and my car had higher miles aswell about 88,000!)

   theres so many factors involved, its impossible to make an assumption based on you & your friend.
   
   engine condition. (miles doesnt mean much)
   driver.
   weight in car
   tyres
   
   etc etc
10. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

    #10 26th October 2009, 16:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bickerton gti on a track is arguably faster but by almost nothing, it's just down to price and personal pref on looks that seperates em really

    How? Just down to the rear arb?
11. user_16388 Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 brighton Posts: 1489 big pimpin merc

    #11 26th October 2009, 16:20

    if you can put up with the old skool looking dash i would have the gti evrytime.
    
    also going from vts to gti i didnt notice any difference in performance
12. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

    #12 26th October 2009, 16:23

    hahahahaha mint thread
13. user_22887 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 276 saxo vtr 03 plate artic silver saxo vts 99

    #13 26th October 2009, 16:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ashleyp theres so many factors involved, its impossible to make an assumption based on you & your friend. engine condition. (miles doesnt mean much) driver. weight in car tyres etc etc

    which is why i sed from my experience. i have never been beaten from a gti in a 1/4 mile
14. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #14 26th October 2009, 16:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jamiemackie if you can put up with the old skool looking dash i would have the gti evrytime. also going from vts to gti i didnt notice any difference in performance

    hmm i wasn't too worried that there would be a difference just wanted to know for sure from owners as i didn't know if there is anything in it between them after looking at 0-60 times but wouldn't be much in it anyway.
    
    just i've seen so many cheap vts's now it's got to be done. i do like gti's but vts's are cool with the gti leather interior.
    
    
    anyways cheers for replies cleared things up a bit
15. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #15 26th October 2009, 16:27

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lukeyyyyyyy21 hmm i wasn't too worried that there would be a difference just wanted to know for sure from owners as i didn't know if there is anything in it between them after looking at 0-60 times but wouldn't be much in it anyway. just i've seen so many cheap vts's now it's got to be done. i do like gti's but vts's are cool with the gti leather interior anyways.

    vts in good condition is a lot easier to find for a reasonable price, the equivilant condition gti will often be £2k more in price
    
    depends whats around, i would have had either when i was looking, the gti insurance was £200 cheaper, but i couldnt warrent spending £3k for a gti in worse conidtion than the VTS i bought
16. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #16 26th October 2009, 16:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ashleyp vts in good condition is a lot easier to find for a reasonable price, the equivilant condition gti will often be £2k more in price

    ye that's the other thing, my friend's 106 gti which is identical to jamiemackies was nearly 3k nice as they are i'm going to look out for the big man's saxo lmao, prefer shape of saxo anyways and as i said get hold of gti leather seats....then go from there
17. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #17 26th October 2009, 16:32

    I think saxos sell for less as theres more of em (mainly down to the free insurance) also a VTR look sjust the same as a VTS yet a rallye or an XS doesn't look that much like a gti
18. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #18 26th October 2009, 16:46

    all jokes a side they are the same car underneath.......
    
    Both evenly matched.
    
    With regards to the quarter mile times 14.7 is fast for a non (aftermarket) cammed VTS.
19. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #19 26th October 2009, 16:51

    Love these threads.
    Exactly the same car, any difference will be down to driver.
    Later (iirc) 106 GTi's have a thicker ARB which has been said, but it would make little if any difference.
    It's like trying to say the VTS rims on a Saxo are wider so you'll get more grip in the corners. 195 compared to 175.
20. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #20 26th October 2009, 16:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ferg It's like trying to say the VTS rims on a Saxo are wider so you'll get more grip in the corners. 195 compared to 175.

    GTI has 14" wheels so better for acceleration?
21. camTcar Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 borders, and washington Posts: 758 mk1 vts and ltd edition corsa

    #21 26th October 2009, 16:54

    GTI vs VTS i dont think i care too much tbh, there both near enough identical
22. user_28873 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2008 Derby Posts: 3619 Mk2 VTS

    #22 26th October 2009, 16:55

    Smaller wheels = less unsprung weight also.
23. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #23 26th October 2009, 16:58

    Hence why I said ~ It's like trying to say ...
24. Anthony Established Member Joined: Sep 2008 Cornwall Posts: 1594 Mk 1 Red VTR

    #24 26th October 2009, 17:05

    Lol pointless thread, i guess a 106 is ever so slightly lighter than a vts due to less body kit panels on the outside, 14" alloys. But meh... nothing between it.
25. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #25 26th October 2009, 17:06

    Yeah but a 106 has two gas bonnet raisers and a Saxo has a stick.
    Saxo must be lighter.
26. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

    #26 26th October 2009, 17:08

    Pointless thread.
    
    VTS is quicker than any car on the road bar a McLaren F1.Or a cammed VTR with fogs on.Init

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27. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #27 26th October 2009, 17:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ferg Yeah but a 106 has two gas bonnet raisers and a Saxo has a stick. Saxo must be lighter.

    Driving lights on 106 are heavier than fogs on saxo so may be a hinderance
28. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #28 26th October 2009, 17:08

    my vtr is faster than my gti tbh
    my gti has no engine though lol mind atm my vtr doesnt run
29. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #29 26th October 2009, 17:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jorge- Smaller wheels = less unsprung weight also.

    Smaller doesnt mean lighter though.
30. smokey247 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 186

    #30 26th October 2009, 17:22

    they are defo not the same car! GTi has 120bhp as standard VTS has 130bhp as standard. the pug is a little bit lighter but not by much! they share the same chassie and much of the same parts but the VTS would be quicker with the SAME driver! iv driven both and although the VTS is 7.4 0-60 and the GTi is 8.3 0-60 the gti feels as quick as it develops its power at diffrent rev bands

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31. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #31 26th October 2009, 17:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxo180 Negligable difference and too many factors have to be taken into consideration

    Model answer, exactly what i would have said.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smokey247 they are defo not the same car! GTi has 120bhp as standard VTS has 130bhp as standard. the pug is a little bit lighter but not by much! they share the same chassie and much of the same parts but the VTS would be quicker with the SAME driver! iv driven both and although the VTS is 7.4 0-60 and the GTi is 8.3 0-60 the gti feels as quick as it develops its power at diffrent rev bands

    Hey? where you get that from
32. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #32 26th October 2009, 17:28

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smokey247 they are defo not the same car! GTi has 120bhp as standard VTS has 130bhp as standard. the pug is a little bit lighter but not by much! they share the same chassie and much of the same parts but the VTS would be quicker with the SAME driver! iv driven both and although the VTS is 7.4 0-60 and the GTi is 8.3 0-60 the gti feels as quick as it develops its power at diffrent rev bands

    you know fuck all seriously
    
    same engine, same car. noob
33. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #33 26th October 2009, 17:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smokey247 they are defo not the same car! GTi has 120bhp as standard VTS has 130bhp as standard. the pug is a little bit lighter but not by much! they share the same chassie and much of the same parts but the VTS would be quicker with the SAME driver! iv driven both and although the VTS is 7.4 0-60 and the GTi is 8.3 0-60 the gti feels as quick as it develops its power at diffrent rev bands

    Dude you just made my day.
    Now get back to whatever hole they let you out of, retard.
34. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #34 26th October 2009, 17:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by smokey247 they are defo not the same car! GTi has 120bhp as standard VTS has 130bhp as standard. the pug is a little bit lighter but not by much! they share the same chassie and much of the same parts but the VTS would be quicker with the SAME driver! iv driven both and although the VTS is 7.4 0-60 and the GTi is 8.3 0-60 the gti feels as quick as it develops its power at diffrent rev bands

    might be worth putting a vts engine in a gti?
35. Thecherry0121 Established Member Joined: Dec 2008 Great Barr Posts: 1489 Cherry red 106 GTi

    #35 26th October 2009, 17:33

    Lmao at this always people trying to state one car is a second quiker than the other, my question to you all is how the f*** would any of you know ?????? Do any of you own a brand new of the factor floor standard vts and gti....... No! There fore its all whats written by a million different people under a million different conditions on the internet.... i mean yeah i believe everything thats in the daily star so it must be true.
    
    
    
    I even got done by a 1.1 today it must be faster !
36. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #36 26th October 2009, 17:34

    THEY ARE THE SAME.
    
    I've had 2 x 106 gti's & a saxo vts. They are the same. End.
    
    Peugeot did the 0-60 tests with a passenger & full tank of fuel to keep the insurance down, hence why the 106 gti booked far slower than the Saxo Vts. Ins grp 13 vs 14 for the vts was the result.
    
    Unless you are a data logging machine you wouldnt know the difference around a track either.
    
    Citroen flooded the market with them via cheapo finance/insurance deals when they were launched, they subsequently gained a horrific image via Max Power, etc & are generally thought of as the neds car of choice.
    
    This makes them cheap; which is good when all you want to do to them is strip the fuckers out & thrash them round a track

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37. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #37 26th October 2009, 17:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sir_dave THEY ARE THE SAME. I've had 2 x 106 gti's & a saxo vts. They are the same. End.

    Did you buy the saxo cos it was faster than the gti's?
    
    
    Please bite lol
38. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #38 26th October 2009, 17:38

    Anyone got a link for where I can pick up a 130bhp VTS engine?
39. E3D Established Member Joined: Aug 2007 Tunbridge Wells Posts: 1465 Furio 1.4 2002

    #39 26th October 2009, 17:38

    gti's front and rear arbs are thicker just to clarify.
40. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #40 26th October 2009, 17:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ferg Anyone got a link for where I can pick up a 130bhp VTS engine?

    Can get a 180 from LAD
41. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #41 26th October 2009, 17:39

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by E3D gti's front and rear arbs are thicker just to clarify.

    no they are not
    
    Fronts are 22mm....
    
    Was only the rears that had 24mm's but not all of them, some still had 22mm's.
42. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #42 26th October 2009, 17:44

    *goes off to fit a vts engine and not a gti one as they have 10more bhp*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    *comes back and decides ill have neither as the 8v has more torque*
43. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #43 26th October 2009, 17:44

    *goes off to fit a vts engine and not a gti one as they have 10more bhp*
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    *comes back and decides ill have neither as the 8v has more torque*
44. user_26394 Saxperience Addict Joined: Aug 2008 Bedworth Posts: 10221 106 gti

    #44 26th October 2009, 17:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan *comes back and decides ill have neither as the 8v has more torque*

    Oh noes!
45. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #45 26th October 2009, 17:46

    GTis quicker and isnt a chav car, its a pure performance car whereas the VTS is completely different.
46. lukeyyyyyyy21 Frequent Poster Joined: Mar 2009 west sussex yo! Posts: 500 MK4 Golf GTI 20v Turbo

    #46 26th October 2009, 18:04

    for those hattin' the thread sorry you feel this way was just asking those that have either or driven both if there is any difference even though they have the same engine because where i had seen 0-60 times the vts was slower by a couple of tenths and wondering what could be the factors out of interest as i want a vts as my next car that was all it's ok lol.
47. sir_dave Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Surrey Posts: 1228 Trophy #433

    #47 26th October 2009, 18:33

    
48. nickwillyhams Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Stoke-on-Trent Posts: 247 2000 16v

    #48 26th October 2009, 18:44

    cheers for the giggle lol
49. johnnyg_vts Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Fleetwood Posts: 2244 2002 Saxo VTS

    #49 26th October 2009, 18:51

    i cant believe this isnt locked yet!
50. camTcar Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 borders, and washington Posts: 758 mk1 vts and ltd edition corsa

    #50 26th October 2009, 19:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ferg Anyone got a link for where I can pick up a 130bhp VTS engine?

    hahahahahaha lol
51. camTcar Frequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 borders, and washington Posts: 758 mk1 vts and ltd edition corsa

    #51 26th October 2009, 19:28

    3 pages of people hating this thread? lol
52. user_35417 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Luton Posts: 232 Mauritius Blue VTR & K5 Gixxer 6

    #52 26th October 2009, 19:29

    can you say "can of worms"?
53. Slammed_Posi_Vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Nov 2006 Royal Tunbridge Wells y0 Posts: 2602 Icelandic VTR

    #53 26th October 2009, 19:42

    what you have to bear in mind here is that the saxo does 60 in second gear, which obviously makes it quicker. ROFL
54. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #54 26th October 2009, 19:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bickerton Can get a 180 from LAD

    Get the San Remo edition, that is faster than a GTI. LMFAO! NOT.
55. Jamie Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 9363 Focus ST & 206 GTI180

    #55 26th October 2009, 20:15

    I want a San remo edition vts...
56. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #56 26th October 2009, 21:00

    Two prong head gives 130bhp.
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha ha.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Same engine, same gearbox, same car, VTS has oil-water heat exchanger, GTi has 24mm ARB, some GTi's have leathers. They're the only differences. As said, the 0-60 differences are down to the way the tests were done, hence the insurance group differences.
57. Karl Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2006 Ashford Posts: 25611 LY R26

    #57 26th October 2009, 21:04

    I heard the Saxo broke mid 0-60.
58. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #58 26th October 2009, 22:45

    I'd rather have VTR any day. They define Torque. Forget all this 16v crap. VTR for life.
59. Ferg Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Maidstone, Kent Posts: 4928 Clio 197 Cup

    #59 26th October 2009, 23:11

    ^^^ LOL wish I had half an engine too.
60. user_25474 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2008 merthyr tydfil with all the jarges Posts: 654 Indigo S2 Rallye

    #60 26th October 2009, 23:54

    saxo's are slower cos the drivers wear big massive chains and swear alot cos theyre hard

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