GTI-6 brake setup?

1. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #1 26th October 2009, 20:15

   What exactly do you need for this "upgrade" ?
   
   If i go the scrapyard, will i just need to take the calipers? Then buy some good GTI-6 disks and pads brand new?
   
   Or is there anything else i will need to get
   
   Thanks in advance
2. pepper953 Established Member Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1280

   #2 26th October 2009, 20:17

   you need the caliper carrier too

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3. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #3 26th October 2009, 20:21

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by pepper953 you need the caliper carrier too

   So just the caliper and the carrier?
4. Mieran Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jul 2007 Newcastle Posts: 6719

   #4 26th October 2009, 20:32

   I think its also better to upgrade the master cylinder too
   
   They have a 23mm one iirc
5. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #5 26th October 2009, 20:33

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Mieran I think its also better to upgrade the master cylinder too They have a 23mm one iirc

   So the caliper, caliper carrier, and the master cylinder?
   
   Anything else i may have missed off people? Its for a VTR aswell, this setup fit it?
6. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #6 26th October 2009, 20:42

   get a 266mm set up
   
   less unsprung weight. = better gains for "performance" in terms of braking
7. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #7 26th October 2009, 20:43

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ashleyp get a 266mm set up less unsprung weight. = better gains for "performance" in terms of braking

   I thought the GTI-6 setup was 266mm?
   
   Berlingo van have 266mm? What would i need to take off?
8. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #8 26th October 2009, 20:52

   Gti6 are 283mm
   good chance to fit braided lines aswell
9. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #9 26th October 2009, 20:54

   Hmm so will get:
   
   Calipers, caliper carrier, and master cylinder. Anyone know what i should be paying for them from a scrapyard?
   
   > Braided brake lines
   > Red stuff pads
   > drilled and grooved disks.
   
   Should be a very good setup
10. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #10 26th October 2009, 20:58

    What wheels you using? 283mm brakes won't go under VTR wheels.

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11. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #11 26th October 2009, 20:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH What wheels you using? 283mm brakes won't go under VTR wheels.

    Damn, will be using VTR wheels. So whats the alternative know lol?
12. Ge0_Ge Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Thanet/Kent Posts: 1335 106 GTI, Audi S3

    #12 26th October 2009, 21:00

    266mm set up 306 xsi, 206gti etc..
13. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #13 26th October 2009, 21:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ge0_Ge 266mm set up 306 xsi, 206gti etc..

    Will i need the same bits as the GTI-6 yeah?
    
    Caliper, carrier and master cylinder?
14. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #14 26th October 2009, 21:02

    red stuff pads are shit from what ive heard
    
    just get a 266mm set up, 206gti
15. Ge0_Ge Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Thanet/Kent Posts: 1335 106 GTI, Audi S3

    #15 26th October 2009, 21:03

    you dnt need to upgrade the M/C some say its over kill im running 266 atm on standard M/C i have it to upgrade too if i need it.. so far i say i havent done but i might stick it on see how it feels.
    
    caliper and carrier yeah.. caliper will need grinding a lil tho iirc.

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16. Adz Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 Derby Posts: 2343 at power bodied yellow 106gti monster

    #16 26th October 2009, 21:05

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 Hmm so will get: Calipers, caliper carrier, and master cylinder. Anyone know what i should be paying for them from a scrapyard? > Braided brake lines > Red stuff pads > drilled and grooved disks. Should be a very good setup

    i paid £50 for mine from a mates breakers yard, so might be a little more then that, and the dics and pads are in mint cond,
    
    and as for the carrier, you will need to grind it down abit so it fits around the strut, not much, just a little trim off the end,
    
    ow yeh, and i hope you havn't got vtr wheels, because heres gti-6 brakes under my S wheels,
    
    
    
    Rather close if you ask me, about 2 - 3 mm off the weights on the wheels,
    
    Adz
17. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

    #17 26th October 2009, 21:07

    Adz, i have got VTR wheels mate, thats why am going for 266mm know
18. Adz Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 Derby Posts: 2343 at power bodied yellow 106gti monster

    #18 26th October 2009, 21:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 Adz, i have got VTR wheels mate, thats why am going for 266mm know

    o0oo sorry fella,, just wanted to make sure you should be fine with 266mm then, but GTI-6 brakes arn't 266mm, there 283mm iirc
    
    Adz
19. silversaxo113 Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 stockton on tees Posts: 2195 1)16v VTR

    #19 26th October 2009, 21:12

    i am running a 266mm setup at the minite using andrew paige discs and standard mintex pads il be up grading the pads when i change to braided lines,an upgraded master cylinder on this setup may give its gains but it is fine without it as for red stuff pads they are ceramic and will kill your discs...on the other hand i am currently refurbing a 283mm gti-6 setup i have a 23mm mc,yellowstuff pads and maxtorque group-n discs which i will be fitting sometime in the beginging of 2010 if i fit it (all depends on the 266mm with the upgraded pads)
    
    imo the 266mm setup is awesome for everyday road use and thats just with standard pads!!!
20. webby Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 manchester Posts: 2456

    #20 26th October 2009, 22:10

    the standard brake are more than up to the job for everyday normal, fast and even the odd trackday.
    
    my set-up consists of:
    rebuilt calipers all round properly cleaned and new seals
    standard qh discs
    mintex 1144's all round
    braided brake lines.
    they are more than ample for what i use the car for atm and probably will remain to be.
    
    i would only upgrade to a proper 4 piston set-up
21. smokey247 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 186

    #21 2nd November 2009, 14:53

    anyone supply and fit this set up?
22. AshKeeble Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Chesterfield Posts: 582 Phase1 VTR

    #22 10th November 2009, 08:04

    Im thinking of doing this. If i used the calipers and carriers from a 206gti, could i upgrade all 4 or just the front two? Obviously there would be modification of the front caliper but whats the story with the rear? Has anyone tried to upgrade the rear?
23. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #23 10th November 2009, 08:24

    no need to upgrade the rear, better discs and pads maybe, but nothing else needed
    
    a 266mm set up will save a bit of weight and wont lose much stopping power on the 283mm set up
24. AshKeeble Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Chesterfield Posts: 582 Phase1 VTR

    #24 10th November 2009, 08:46

    So just the fronts and maybe some grooved discs and uprated pads on the rear?
25. jamer Infrequent Poster Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 156

    #25 10th November 2009, 14:09

    get the fronts and yes use some goood discs and pads for the rear
26. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #26 10th November 2009, 14:14

    i can supply the discs and pads
27. AshKeeble Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Chesterfield Posts: 582 Phase1 VTR

    #27 10th November 2009, 16:31

    I could do with some pocket money before i even think about getting some discs and pads lol. Saving for xmas as i'm self employed! No holiday pay or jack shit!
28. user_31339 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Knaresborough Posts: 777 White MK2 VTS

    #28 10th November 2009, 16:38

    Can the gti-6 setup be bought new and if so are you talking stupid money?
29. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #29 10th November 2009, 17:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stevosvts Can the gti-6 setup be bought new and if so are you talking stupid money?

    The later 206 GTI 180 283mm setup can be bought brand new from Pug... I'm sure I read it's about £80 a side for calipers and carriers. They are direct fit too - no grinding needed.

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30. user_31339 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2009 Knaresborough Posts: 777 White MK2 VTS

    #30 10th November 2009, 18:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH The later 206 GTI 180 283mm setup can be bought brand new from Pug... I'm sure I read it's about £80 a side for calipers and carriers. They are direct fit too - no grinding needed.

    cheers ill have a look into 206 GTI 180 setup
31. AshKeeble Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2008 Chesterfield Posts: 582 Phase1 VTR

    #31 10th November 2009, 19:57

    I have standard vtr alloys so ive got no chance of fitting any bigger discs than 266mm! No chance lol.
32. martin1977 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Aberdeen Posts: 155 Evo 8 FQ300 (3 of) Civic Type R BMW M3 Convertib

    #32 13th November 2009, 08:00

    One thing to remember when fitting the new callipers (I refer to the GTi6 283mm items.).
    
    The calliper retaining bolts on the saxo are longer than the 306.. so you will either require washers to space your Saxo bolts out.. 2 washers per bolt therefore 8 washers (costs about 50p...)
    or you will need the calliper retaining bolts from the 306 which are a direct replacement.
    
    As for teh GTi180's brakes, no idea if the above needs done!!!
    
    Defo WORTH remembering.......
    
    Martin
33. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #33 13th November 2009, 12:09

    Yeah, I've heard a few people mention that. Did mine up nice and tight and I've not had any problems.
    
    If they rattle or don't sound too clever under braking, it'd would be worth putting some washers between the caliper and bolt head.