install vtr engine into a furio ???

1. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

   #1 30th October 2009, 21:44

   hi everyone im new on here,im 17 and for my first car i bought a written off icelandic grey mkII furio. i thought i need to save the little guy so bought it and me and my dad restored it back to health.
   
   lately i was thinking about putting in a vtr engine init and was just wondering what else i would need to change if i did. (clutch,brakes etc)
   
   i am also thinking of adding a new exhaust on it so would like to ask opinions on that. ive been told to get supersprint and is it better to get a supersprint exhaust and backbox or a japspeed backbox with supersprint exhaust
   cheers
2. huggy54 Established Member Joined: Jan 2005 England Posts: 1744

   #2 30th October 2009, 22:04

   i gotta good vtr engine for sale pm me
3. Quick Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2003 United Kingdom (England) Posts: 7064

   #3 30th October 2009, 23:55

   I'd wait and get insured on the 1.4 before thinking about the bigger engine!
4. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #4 31st October 2009, 00:16

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by huggy54 i gotta good vtr engine for sale pm me or call me on

   drunken late night abusive phonecalls incoming lol
5. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

   #5 31st October 2009, 00:54

   I have a furio and was also thinking about doing this next year when my insruance renewal comes,i would just need the vtr engine, loom and ecu if im correct?Also would i notice a big difference on performance as was thinking about doing a few engine mods, tho thought the vtr lump would be a better idea.
6. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

   #6 31st October 2009, 01:08

   anyone?
7. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

   #7 31st October 2009, 11:26

   bump???
8. Michael86 L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Llanelli Posts: 33 Saxo vts

   #8 31st October 2009, 11:27

   sell your furio, add the money you would use to do a conversion and buy a vtr/s
   common sense pal
9. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

   #9 31st October 2009, 11:35

   well i can get a vtr engine off ebay for around £100 and im sure it wouldnt cost much to fit.and i quite like my car thats why i wanna just change the engine.
10. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

    #10 31st October 2009, 11:49

    As yours is a mk2 furio, you will need a mk2 vtr engine for a hassle free conversion. Your furio loom is near identicle to that of a vtr so you wouldnt need a vtr one. If you just buy a vtr lump and ecu, its dead straight forward. Just gota make sure the vtr ecu is unlocked.
    
    While the lump is out, its worth while to change the furios gearbox for a VTS one. Will make a massive difference to how the car drives
11. chippy_vtr Infrequent Poster Joined: May 2009 Duston, Northampton Posts: 206 52 Silver Vtr Mk2

    #11 31st October 2009, 12:27

    mite aswell put a vts in it
12. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

    #12 31st October 2009, 12:44

    Wouldnt agree with that. From a furios 75bhp, 98bhp is a nice steady rise at 17. Its a lot easier to swap the engines aswell, no faffing about with fuel returns. Plus it leaves scope for a 16v lump in the future
13. Saxo_Scott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 East Grinstead - West Sussex Posts: 3094 BMW E46 M3

    #13 31st October 2009, 12:56

    Might aswell, dont follow the crowd
14. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

    #14 31st October 2009, 13:03

    i was looking in to a vts conversion as well seen a whole conversion on ebay for £500, engine with 69k ,gearbox,ecu and loom,but as the VTR swap would be alot cheaper and easier just thinking about doing this next year.do you think i would notice alot performance wise?
    
    And it's the 3 plug ecu i would need alothough you said i wouldnt really need to change that.
    
    thanks for the comments.
15. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #15 31st October 2009, 16:46

    id just like to say thanks to jscott for taking over my thread lol and i can get a vtr engine for free because i have good mates lol so i just want to know what else i would need to change for it to work. i also like mine and ive brought it back to life from being written off so would like to keep my car and i cant put a vts engine in cos im only 17 and cant afford insurance for a vts
    thanks to all the guys so far who have tried helping me, much appreciated
16. Jscott91 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Salisbury Posts: 349 Saxo Furrioo. 2000 reg Gold vts,now-blue 03 vts 60

    #16 31st October 2009, 17:32

    aha sorry just didnt want to create another thread..,if you get it done "furiokitney" let me know how it is performance wise and what you had to do to get it up and running.
17. VtsTom Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Spalding-ish Posts: 2512 Mk4 Anniversary golf. 106 Quiksallye

    #17 31st October 2009, 19:08

    My missus had a furio when i had a vtr back in the day. Both had the same mods and honestly, there wasnt a great deal in it. Obviously there is a difference. Some will say its massive, others will just say its slight.
    
    At the end of the day, the vtr lump holds more power potential for tuning over the 1400 furio lump.
    
    A nice 4-1 de-cat manifold, mani back system, nice cold air fed filter, cam and remap, and your vtr transplant will be alot better than a furio
18. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #18 31st October 2009, 19:11

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jscott91 aha sorry just didnt want to create another thread..,if you get it done "furiokitney" let me know how it is performance wise and what you had to do to get it up and running.

    no problem Jscott91 will do
19. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #19 31st October 2009, 19:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VtsTom My missus had a furio when i had a vtr back in the day. Both had the same mods and honestly, there wasnt a great deal in it. Obviously there is a difference. Some will say its massive, others will just say its slight. At the end of the day, the vtr lump holds more power potential for tuning over the 1400 furio lump. A nice 4-1 de-cat manifold, mani back system, nice cold air fed filter, cam and remap, and your vtr transplant will be alot better than a furio

    
    thanks for the info VtsTom i just fancy having a vtr and its so annoying when you tell people you have a saxo and they go ooooh is it a vts or vtr then i say furio and they aint got a clue about what that is
20. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #20 1st November 2009, 21:57

    does anyone know whether id have to change the brakes and clutch in my furio if i was to put in a vtr engine
21. smokey247 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 186

    #21 2nd November 2009, 08:57

    youd be advised to! more breaking power = being able to use more power on the road safely. you can get 1000C Group N from KAMracing for like £160
22. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #22 2nd November 2009, 11:46

    Cheers smokey
23. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #23 2nd November 2009, 22:04

    anyone selling a single plug unlocked ecu and/or vtr engine
24. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #24 2nd November 2009, 22:24

    vtr engine should have a clutch on it, brakes should be ok but always better to upgrade when you adding more power ("should" be done before upping the power) and tbh mate id sell and buy a vtr tbh, if the car has been damaged it puts off potential buyers but then to swap the engine and your gonna cut your list of poos buyers to slim as ppl will generally think thats a bit iffy and tend to steer clear, and if your spending time and moeny modding it thats the last thing youll want,
25. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #25 3rd November 2009, 20:54

    ok thanks for the advise blackie if i end up doing it it wont be for a while so ill searcha round for a new car in the meantime and give it some real thought
26. smokey247 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 186

    #26 4th November 2009, 09:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by furiokitney does anyone know whether id have to change the brakes and clutch in my furio if i was to put in a vtr engine

    no but it would be highly advisable because the standard set up is pretty poney!
27. furiokitney L-plater Joined: May 2009 south wales, porthcawl Posts: 71 saxo furio (1.4) colour:icelandic grey

    #27 4th November 2009, 20:04

    cheers smokey