Tappety Tappety tap

1. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

   #1 2nd November 2009, 17:32

   Just got my VTR back from 'engine overhaul'. All good apart from tappets are a little noisy. I watched myself while the garage adjusted them twice. Still sound alot more noisy than when it went in !
   
   Can someone confirm the clearances for a 2001 MK2 VTR. Presuming it was originally a 98hp model (Roller rockers,silvertop,2 Lambdas...one in manifold one below,and cat in downpipe).
   
   Pretty please........
2. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

   #2 2nd November 2009, 18:45

   well they might not of done it correctly!!
   
   do it your self, find the info in a haynes maunal it not a hard job
   
   andy
3. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

   #3 2nd November 2009, 18:59

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by AndySAXOK well they might not of done it correctly!! do it your self, find the info in a haynes maunal it not a hard job andy

   They obviously arent the correct clearances - hence the noise and hence why im asking.I remember the previous time they were done by a different garage they had 'trouble' getting the right gaps.
   
   Included in my overhaul was a new cam....which means the tappets would require re-setting (Hence i'll be fucked if im doing them !).
   
   Was just trying to find correct info,so i can then see what the garage has set them to...
4. scorp Newbie Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 21

   #4 2nd November 2009, 21:09

   engine cold
   
   inlet 0.20mm
   exhaust 0.40mm
5. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

   #5 2nd November 2009, 21:11

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by scorp engine cold inlet 0.20mm exhaust 0.40mm

   Cheers - that seems to be the concensus.
   
   Found another post though where someone says GMC use .20mm inlet and .30mm exhaust and do these when hot ???
   
   Any mileage in that ?
6. Lozza_vtr Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Sunny Essex!! Posts: 2342 VW Golf Mk4 1.8T

   #6 2nd November 2009, 21:20

   I done mine.
   
   inlet 0.20mm
   exhaust 0.40mm
   
   Engine sitting over night, stone cold.
7. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

   #7 2nd November 2009, 21:22

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Lozza_vtr I done mine. inlet 0.20mm exhaust 0.40mm Engine sitting over night, stone cold.

   And i presume they were quiet afterwards ????
8. Lozza_vtr Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Sunny Essex!! Posts: 2342 VW Golf Mk4 1.8T

   #8 2nd November 2009, 21:23

   Sure was.

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9. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

   #9 2nd November 2009, 21:24

   Thanks
10. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

    #10 4th November 2009, 17:08

    Turns out Piper recommend 0.20mm for inlet and 0.25mm for exhaust.
    
    Garage has done them twice to these specs to be sure today,and its still not "perfect". Infact if anything they said the exhaust was a 'tight' 0.25mm as they were the ones that seemed to be the problem noise-wise.
    
    Should i get them to narrow the gap of the inlet very,very slightly now ?
    
    Or is a slight tappet noise just the nature-of-the-beast from an engine with non-hydraulic tappets ???? (Wasnt like this before though,and sounded and ran sweet as a nut !).
11. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

    #11 5th November 2009, 06:17

    Anyone ?
12. user_35014 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Helensburgh Posts: 1206 Cammed Ph2 VTS

    #12 5th November 2009, 08:15

    How overhauled is an overhaul?
    
    Might just be shit in the oilways if theyre hydraulic tappets. Give it 1000 miles with diesel oil in, and do another oil and filter change.
    
    however if its a nice shiny new head, ignore all i say and set clearances to inlet @ 0.20mm and exhaust @ 0.40mm iaw haynes.
13. user_35014 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Helensburgh Posts: 1206 Cammed Ph2 VTS

    #13 5th November 2009, 08:18

    Im a retard. Just read your post saying there non hydraulic. If thats the case then its all down to clearances mate, unless your garage are numpties it should be easy to remedy.
    
    Have you double checked the clearances warm and cold yourself?
14. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #14 5th November 2009, 14:43

    0.20 inlet and 0.40 exhaust should be really quiet when set properly, i.e with a cold engine. I'd take the car elsewhere to have them done.
15. browne174 Established Member Joined: Dec 2007 Northern Ireland Posts: 1055 Ford Focus Edge

    #15 5th November 2009, 15:35

    would it not sound a bit different due to the bigger cam
    
    this was the case on my mates xr2i fiesta anyway
16. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

    #16 5th November 2009, 18:52

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pjw How overhauled is an overhaul? Might just be shit in the oilways if theyre hydraulic tappets. Give it 1000 miles with diesel oil in, and do another oil and filter change. however if its a nice shiny new head, ignore all i say and set clearances to inlet @ 0.20mm and exhaust @ 0.40mm iaw haynes.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by pjw Im a retard. Just read your post saying there non hydraulic. If thats the case then its all down to clearances mate, unless your garage are numpties it should be easy to remedy. Have you double checked the clearances warm and cold yourself?

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH 0.20 inlet and 0.40 exhaust should be really quiet when set properly, i.e with a cold engine. I'd take the car elsewhere to have them done.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by browne174 would it not sound a bit different due to the bigger cam this was the case on my mates xr2i fiesta anyway

    Yes non-hydraulic tappets on a VTR - VTS are hydraulic.
    
    Spoken to Piper technical dept - they specifically told me 0.20mm inlet and 0.25mm exhaust due to the cam profile and different timing settings. With these settings the car is still slightly rattly top end.....
    
    Engine overhaul is new cam,followers,head gasket,valve stem oil seals,waterpump,cambelt kit,valves lapped in etc etc
    
    
    
    
    What im trying to work out is standard Citroen settings are 0.20mm inlet,and so are Pipers suggested settings. Exhaust is 0.40mm standard Citroen settings and Piper suggest 0.25mm. (I also should mention Piper specifically told me these gaps were to be set when car is WARM ??????? !!!!!! ).If its still rattling slightly do i close up exhaust,inlet,both,neither or accept it as it is although still slightly tappetty.Ie: Is this usually a syndrome of cammed VTR's ??
    
    Thouroughly pissed off with it all and needing help :-)
17. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

    #17 5th November 2009, 18:56

    my VTR is cammed and is lumpy as fook on idle and rat tat tat taptaptaptap all the time, dont bother me... just makes me think of my old 306 TD lol

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18. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #18 5th November 2009, 19:46

    Ohh my bad - didn't realise you have an aftermarket cam in!
    
    If it's a Piper cam, set the clearances to what they recommend. It will never be as quiet as it was with the standard cam though. After I fitted a Kent PT40 to mine (using their clearance figures) the tappets were a fair bit louder - not a lot you can do really.

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19. sevenfourate Regular Poster Joined: Dec 2004 Lowestoft,Suffolk. Posts: 374 Slammed,Cam'd+NOS'd VTR

    #19 5th November 2009, 19:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH Ohh my bad - didn't realise you have an aftermarket cam in! If it's a Piper cam, set the clearances to what they recommend. It will never be as quiet as it was with the standard cam though. After I fitted a Kent PT40 to mine (using their clearance figures) the tappets were a fair bit louder - not a lot you can do really.

    No,no dont apologise......cheers for trying to help.And thanks for that info
    
    Until i spoke to Piper i didnt realise it should have been on non-standard settings either !
20. user_35014 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Helensburgh Posts: 1206 Cammed Ph2 VTS

    #20 6th November 2009, 08:41

    Sorry mate as above i didnt realise you were running an aftermarket cam. Should be sorted with their settings but expect it to be louder - even louder if you get forgies in.