what engine cound i drop in my vtr ?????

1. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

   #1 8th November 2009, 05:02

   hya cound any one help me what engine cound i drop in my vtr with out to much more ?????? its a vtr on a 2000 reg if thts any help thanks
2. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

   #2 8th November 2009, 05:03

   hya cound any one help me what engine cound i drop in my vtr with out to much work ?????? its a vtr on a 2000 reg if thts any help thanks
3. turbotom Established Member Joined: Jun 2008 Leamington Spa Posts: 1852 Black Saxo VTRS Land Rover Discovery x2 S1 106 R

   #3 8th November 2009, 05:39

   The most popular is obv a S conversion, if you have deep enough pockets and plenty of time you could make anything fit! Within reason!!
4. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

   #4 8th November 2009, 05:59

   am really wanting to got fast than a vts was thinking more of a 2.0 out of a 306 ?????
5. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

   #5 8th November 2009, 08:29

   a 2.0 out of a 306 would be a pain to fit (very tight) but yes it would fit. I also think that with the lump being so heavy it would destroy the cars good handling.
   
   I will await other peoples opinions though.
   
   
   James
6. Clarky_vts Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 newcastle upon tyne Posts: 306 2002 saxo vtr custom two tone 2000 silver pug 106

   #6 8th November 2009, 09:56

   woulid be like the corsa redtop conversion, fast in a straight line but slow around the twisties
7. Clarky_vts Regular Poster Joined: Sep 2009 newcastle upon tyne Posts: 306 2002 saxo vtr custom two tone 2000 silver pug 106

   #7 8th November 2009, 09:56

   would*
8. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

   #8 8th November 2009, 10:06

   get a VTS lump and mod that, fast enough for most people but still drivable and handles well!
9. jamseyp Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Bridgy,somerset Posts: 1127 saxo vts 16v

   #9 8th November 2009, 10:36

   mi16 maybe
10. anthonyJones Newbie Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 11

    #10 8th November 2009, 10:54

    would the zara vtr/vts engines not fit ?
11. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

    #11 8th November 2009, 11:19

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anthonyJones would the zara vtr/vts engines not fit ?

    same as the gti-6 engine the xsara vts..i just dont think it has the 6 speed box iirc. Bit heavy for the saxo
12. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #12 8th November 2009, 12:50

    A "VTS" engine
13. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #13 8th November 2009, 13:00

    Peugeot A16 engine
14. MARTYN19588 Established Member Joined: Aug 2006 aberdeen Posts: 1525 clio 182, golf v6 4motion

    #14 8th November 2009, 13:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lew_C same as the gti-6 engine the xsara vts..i just dont think it has the 6 speed box iirc. Bit heavy for the saxo

    same engines just the xsara doesnt get a 6speed box
15. user_33743 Regular Poster Joined: May 2009 Crowle, btwn Scunthorpe/Doncaster Posts: 353 'S' plate Saxo VTR

    #15 8th November 2009, 17:24

    Does it need to be a French engine? Although I have no intention of doing it, I was thinking the other day about sticking an engine from a reliable car into the Saxo. Maybe an MX-5 1.8i engine or the like. Would be a hell of a lot more reliable.
16. liam_VTR Established Member Joined: Jan 2009 Stoke on trent Posts: 1132 Corsa GSI C20LET

    #16 8th November 2009, 17:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommy1990 hya cound any one help me what engine cound i drop in my vtr with out to much more ?????? its a vtr on a 2000 reg if thts any help thanks

    A valver
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 8th November 2009, 17:33

    could go for some sort of V6 or even better a V8 ? Maybe one of GM's LS engine ?
18. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #18 8th November 2009, 17:35

    Is you seriously want something different, a K series would be a good call
19. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

    #19 8th November 2009, 17:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fergie Does it need to be a French engine? Although I have no intention of doing it, I was thinking the other day about sticking an engine from a reliable car into the Saxo. Maybe an MX-5 1.8i engine or the like. Would be a hell of a lot more reliable.

    Lad on the Rallye Register has got a rally car with a Honda B series lump in.
20. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #20 8th November 2009, 23:30

    i was think maybe the 2.0 8v out of the 306 wound i be to use the vtr loom and box cos tht will be cheaper lol cheers
21. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #21 9th November 2009, 08:14

    TU5 J4 (GTi/VTS) engine tbh. Best bet in terms of performance, simplicity to fit and and not screwing up the handling.
    
    A 2.0 8v engine from a 306 XSi is only about 123Bhp anyway, so for the potential extra 3bhp it's not worth it. 1.6 16v VTS lump is the way forward tbh or something like a Honda B16A (B if you can find/afford one) if you've got deep enough pockets.
22. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #22 9th November 2009, 10:30

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommy1990 i was think maybe the 2.0 8v out of the 306 wound i be to use the vtr loom and box cos tht will be cheaper lol cheers

    good luck with putting a tu loom round a different engine
    they dont even fit other tus half the tme
    and i think the 306 runs a be box which is a semi common swap on saxos so keep that on the motor as an ma will require a lot of work to fit
23. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #23 9th November 2009, 19:27

    wat do u think wound be the best am not really wanting a vts in it cos lots of people are doing it thanks
24. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #24 10th November 2009, 08:12

    People have told you what they think is best already. The reason that so many people drop a VTS lump in is because it is relatively straight forward to fit, won't destroy the handling and is a good engine for modifying.
    
    The money you'll spend dicking around fitting a 2.0 8v XU engine in your Saxo could buy you a decent VTS lump; probably with breathing mods too.
    
    Just go for a VTS lump dude
25. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #25 10th November 2009, 12:51

    ok cheers are the 106 gti the same motors and do u know if i will need to change the loom to put the vts in
26. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #26 10th November 2009, 13:06

    Probably try the Peugeot A18 engine aswell
27. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #27 10th November 2009, 13:09

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommy1990 ok cheers are the 106 gti the same motors and do u know if i will need to change the loom to put the vts in

    depends on the age of the car for if you need to swap the looms
    the 106 also doesnt have the heat exchanger for the oil like the vts does
    i have a 16v in my vtr and its relatively straight forward if you have the right loom
28. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #28 10th November 2009, 15:24

    mine on a w reg 2000 if thats and help cos i woundnt know were to start with the loom lol
29. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #29 10th November 2009, 15:30

    cound you also tell me wat bhp the mark 1 vts are if any one knows cheers
30. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #30 10th November 2009, 15:32

    120, it was always 120bhp no matter what you hear mate.
    
    Also, your cars on the crossover so youll need to be extra careful buying the right engine as there were a few changes to the looms and engine management at that time.
31. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #31 10th November 2009, 15:41

    i know my car the one with cat under the car if thts any help and wat year vts wound fit ? cheers
32. user_35312 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Coventry CV6 Posts: 2477 Slowda Octavia vRS SOLD - Cam'd Chip'd VTR

    #32 10th November 2009, 16:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TU-Tuning Is you seriously want something different, a K series would be a good call

    mmmmm mayonaise. lol
33. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #33 10th November 2009, 17:04

    mayonaise ???? lol
34. saxo_ron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2007 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 3017 Honda DC5, Gruppe M and j's racing

    #34 10th November 2009, 17:47

    Get a loom/engine from a 2000 w reg vts. If your seriously wanting to be quicker than a normal s conversion (big stepup from vtr) then just mod the 16v lump, theres loads that can be done

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35. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #35 10th November 2009, 17:48

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommy1990 mayonaise ???? lol

    Usualy a sign that the head gasket has gone; a common occurance on the K series lump of shit.
36. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #36 10th November 2009, 22:36

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tommy1990 i know my car the one with cat under the car if thts any help and wat year vts wound fit ? cheers

    have a look in front of the battery by the left headlight there will be a round plug
    itll either be about amn inch and a half in diameter (early style sp single plug)
    or closer to 3 inches (later so 3 plug)
    
    basic rule of thumb is crossovers ran big plug but single plug ecu
    i would just lob a 3 plugger in there in that case

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37. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #37 10th November 2009, 22:48

    it there a way i can still use the same loom because i woundnt know were to start with the loom
38. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #38 10th November 2009, 23:21

    i have seen it done but you need to change plugs et so if your not confident with wiring its not the best idea
39. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #39 11th November 2009, 00:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Lew_C mmmmm mayonaise. lol

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Usualy a sign that the head gasket has gone; a common occurance on the K series lump of shit.

    K series engines are one of the most competitively used engines ever made, remove the HGF problem (which is cheap and simple as fuck) and youve got a very light, very tuneable and very readily available engine.
40. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #40 11th November 2009, 02:00

    if my car was a single plug ecu and i got a single plug vts motor wound the loom be to stay in the car then cheer
41. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #41 11th November 2009, 02:10

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Usualy a sign that the head gasket has gone; a common occurance on the K series lump of shit.

    If you keep upto date services on k series engine the headgaskets dont go at all dude.........ive own Gti metro since 1994,only changed the headgasket twice in that time.............
42. tommy1990 L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 carlisle Posts: 53 saxo vtr

    #42 11th November 2009, 02:37

    i woundnt put a k series engine in the headgasket do go on them but there not as bad as people make out
43. Matts-VTR Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 Presteigne, Powys Posts: 736 96' clio 16v / 93' clio williams 1 / 00' saxo vtr.

    #43 11th November 2009, 08:08

    Metro GTa with a 1.6 16v engine conversion
    
    add a small amount of tuning and you got one incredibly useable car
    
    oh and i would also LOVE to own one of those 1.8 vvc converted metro's!!!
    
    matt
44. SaxoKez Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Oct 2007 Scunthorpe (North Lincolnshire) Posts: 3325 White Subaru WRX Black Saxo VTS

    #44 11th November 2009, 10:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Matts-VTR Metro GTa with a 1.6 16v engine conversion add a small amount of tuning and you got one incredibly useable car oh and i would also LOVE to own one of those 1.8 vvc converted metro's!!! matt

    i had one
45. user_35014 Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Helensburgh Posts: 1206 Cammed Ph2 VTS

    #45 2nd December 2009, 23:12

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Usualy a sign that the head gasket has gone; a common occurance on the K series lump of shit.

    The perfect reason ive been running VVCs for the last three years. 160bhp for pennies because nuggets think theyre made of chocolate.