big problem!

13th November 2009, 14:56

i got a big problem with my vtr so big that it will not even start now!

when i try to start the car sometimes it turns over for a couple of seconds before starting other times it starts straight away and sometimes you get a little smell of petrol? but always seemed to run fine an never saw any leaks on the floor so thought nothing of it

today after it cut out i was turning it over and it was firing then cutting straight out i was doing it a few times and it started and was running and i got about a mile or so and it cut out again, done the same sat turning it over then decided to get my uncle to tow me home as i wasnt far from home

i got out to put the towing eye in and noticed a rainbow puddle on the floor which im guessing is petrol? its raining also so when i lift the bonnet everything jus gets wet but i did notice there is a very tiny little puddle sitting n the inlet under the injectors so could it be the injectors playing around/leaking or something?

any information would be very much appriciated!

13th November 2009, 14:58

also forgot to mention you do not always hear the fuel pump prime when you turn the ignition on, only sometimes

13th November 2009, 15:01

sounds like a fuel leak - id not try and start the engine until you've sorted it - could be fire time.

13th November 2009, 15:05

has to be from the inlet area mate as that was where the puddle was coming from (engine end of car)

i have a complete inlet from another silvertop engine i might try swapping the inlets over what do you guys think?

13th November 2009, 15:14

yea mine started leaking for some reason before. it ran fine but could smell it. didnt you try starting the car with the bonnet up and have a look to se where the puddle is coming from? or get a mate to turn it over quick whils your looking.

i just took mine out cleand them up and the fuel rail n put it back in and it was fine..

13th November 2009, 15:18

couldnt see anythin mate will have another look

was it just your injectors that were leaking? do they just pull out?

13th November 2009, 16:18

yea my injectors. has a rubber on both ends and just pops in and out

13th November 2009, 16:24

id get a new set of o rings - they swell up with a/f mixture, so for the sake of a few £££ would be good to replace them

13th November 2009, 16:24

im gonna just swap over the inlet and injectors off the other engine i have as i know that one is sound

13th November 2009, 22:51

what do you guys think about the 2nd post about the fuel pump priming?

14th November 2009, 12:53

i changed the inlet over today along with injectors + injector rail

when i took the injector rail off it was filled with petrol loads come pouring out so im guessing my car may have been flooded?

anyway changed it all over still and going to try it in a minute as ive got the battery on charge

still why would the car have cut out? i mean if it just cut out and then flooded with petrol surely it wasnt firing?

14th November 2009, 14:29

have been out to try the car turning over but still not starting

pulled the pipe off the fuel rail and it was pressured up so obviously its just not firing?

does anyone know what it may be? i remember i did go through quiet a big puddle a while before it started playing up, maybe something got wet?

if anyone has any ideas will be a huge help!

15th November 2009, 08:58

when mine did this i changed everything ended up being the fuel pump changed that and fired straight up

15th November 2009, 10:10

but like i said mate there is fuel at the injection rail as when i pull the pipe off some comes out

15th November 2009, 11:07

have just been out to try the car and you can not even hear it prime anymore, do you think it may be the fuel pump or fuel injection relay? as like i said it seems to get petrol up to the pipe but may only be whats left in the system?

15th November 2009, 15:40

you pushed the fuel cut off switch ?

15th November 2009, 16:44

tried that mate

i been out for a little drive in it and it just seems to go for a few minutes then cut out

the fuel pump does prime from time to time then starts and you drive it for abit then it cuts out

do you think maybe fuel filter is blocked causing petrol starvation?

15th November 2009, 16:55

yeh might be - new fuel filter is cheap to do

15th November 2009, 17:20

will change filter tomorrow if the problem still occurs i will try the fuel pump

my bettings at the moment are on the fuel pump

16th November 2009, 16:07

have change the filter today and people say about letting the pump prime a fewtimes before you start it but you cannot hear my pump prime, shall i just turn the car over and see if it starts? also cannot try today becaus the battery has gone flat from turning it over so much lol

anyone know if a 1.6 fuel pump from a 206 running he same engine will fit my car?

16th November 2009, 16:14

is fine to try and turn it over - it wont start otherwise

16th November 2009, 16:22

i know it wont start otherwise but i mean in the how to guide on here it says turn the ignition on and off a few imes before trying to start it so it gets fuel in the lines and filter

also cannot try it till tomorrow as the battery has gone flat from turningi over yeserday lol

16th November 2009, 16:46

also thining maybe fuel is too low? my gauge reads just above the dot where the petrol light normal comes on at

maybe the sender is fecked and its actally more less empty?

17th November 2009, 11:18

UPDATEEE

have been out to try starting the saxo again this morning put the battery on put the key onto 2nd click and did not hear the fuel pump prime at all... turned it over to try start it a couple times and no luck... when you turn it back to the 2nd click after turning over you do hear it prime so its like 3rd click(turn over) let it go back to 2nd click and you kinda hear it prime

also as said petrol light is on and its at the top of the little block and the front of the car is also facing down hill

do you think maybe it isnt picking up the petrol? or fuel pump naffed?

17th November 2009, 12:59

kinda sorted the problem now

kept engaging the starter motor then stopping to make it prime the pump i thought maybe the filter was empty still or something kept doing this for a while then it started up

i thought maybe gauge is playing around so put £12 of fuel in first before i done it

started in the end so now is running but i have an injector leaking so goin to take them off and put new O rings on them later

sometimes starts straight away sometimes doesnt so i dont know what may be wrong with it still lol but does always start in the end after turning over for a couple of seconds

17th November 2009, 13:10

maybe because the injector is leaking?

17th November 2009, 13:18

would that cause it then? its only because i changed the injector rail when it wouldnt start

also isnt leaking a lot only a tiny bit?