newmans ph3

20th November 2009, 16:40

hi all ,im looking to get a cam fitted to my 2001 vtr, what would i need to uprate to fit a newmans ph3and does anyonr have any idea of the lift/duration of these cams

cheers jamie

20th November 2009, 16:43

look on newman cams website it got all the info of the cams on there,

andy

20th November 2009, 17:08

cheers just found the duration, is there anything i need to uprate or will it be ok on standard parts, ive done the breathing mods with a piper 4-1 decat manifold and raceland enclosed air filter with green cotton filter, and thinking of remapping after the cams fitted

cheers jamie

20th November 2009, 17:10

ull need new seals and u may aswell go about replacing the headgasket why u there, and change the oil and filter.. bout it really

20th November 2009, 18:34

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Originally Posted by saxvtr03

ull need new seals and u may aswell go about replacing the headgasket why u there, and change the oil and filter.. bout it really

be pretty silly to remove the head and try using the same h/g though so thats a deffo change

20th November 2009, 20:20

Head bolts are stretch type so you need those too.

20th November 2009, 22:00

doesnt the ph3 cam need tb's to run properly? sure thats what i read on kam-racing

21st November 2009, 01:12

Nah it will run fine on the standard inlet unmapped providing you fit it with a vernier pulley and have the cam timing adjusted on a rolling road.

21st November 2009, 01:27

so a ph3 would run and see gains providing its well setup, without a map... on my 3plug vtr?

21st November 2009, 08:16

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Originally Posted by LeeumH

Nah it will run fine on the standard inlet unmapped providing you fit it with a vernier pulley and have the cam timing adjusted on a rolling road.

thats exactly what im going to do mate. cheers for the replies. from what i gather so far im going to need
camshaft
vernier pulley
head gasket
head bolts
oil
oil filter
all new seals
cam belt kit

21st November 2009, 16:23

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Originally Posted by chiddy0407

so a ph3 would run and see gains providing its well setup, without a map... on my 3plug vtr?

Yip. A lad on here with a 206 engine'd (98bhp 3 plug) VTR made just over 120bhp at the fly with an unmapped PH3 (after adjusting timing on a RR) and breathing mods. You will be very surprised at how well the car runs cammed, the idle shouldn't be any different to standard really.

My old VTR with a Kent PT40 (a little bit milder than a PH3) made 117.9bhp at the fly unmapped. Ran very well if I'm honest, but the gains of the cam weren't massively clear cut - I think the VTR gearbox let my setup down no end. I would look into a VTS/ S2 Rallye/ 1.4 XSI gearbox if you want to take advantage of the extra power as the ratios of the VTR box aren't ideal when the power is pushed up the revs.

22nd November 2009, 17:15

might aswell do the water pump while your at it mate

22nd November 2009, 21:08

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Originally Posted by LeeumH

Yip. A lad on here with a 206 engine'd (98bhp 3 plug) VTR made just over 120bhp at the fly with an unmapped PH3 (after adjusting timing on a RR) and breathing mods. You will be very surprised at how well the car runs cammed, the idle shouldn't be any different to standard really.

My old VTR with a Kent PT40 (a little bit milder than a PH3) made 117.9bhp at the fly unmapped. Ran very well if I'm honest, but the gains of the cam weren't massively clear cut - I think the VTR gearbox let my setup down no end. I would look into a VTS/ S2 Rallye/ 1.4 XSI gearbox if you want to take advantage of the extra power as the ratios of the VTR box aren't ideal when the power is pushed up the revs.

cheers man, thats a big help

i'm ruinning an s1 rallye box, so it will be abit mad with a cam in.

obviously, a very shit question... but did you get a garage to fit the cam for you? just wondering about costs to fit it if i just take the cam and vernier to my mechanic.

thanks

22nd November 2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by chiddy0407

cheers man, thats a big help

i'm ruinning an s1 rallye box, so it will be abit mad with a cam in.

obviously, a very shit question... but did you get a garage to fit the cam for you? just wondering about costs to fit it if i just take the cam and vernier to my mechanic.

thanks

S1 box should be ideal mate, gears might be a little short but certainly an improvement over the VTR box.

Labour wise, I'm not too sure what it would cost - it's a pretty involved job I guess so could be anything from a day to two days labour! I actually got williamsvts from this forum to fit mine and he did a top job. He has a unit in Northumberland (which isn't too far from yourself) and would do it at a very competitive price. Drop him a PM... or myself if you want his number.

Failing that, Manic Motors (based in Sunderland) would undertake this sort of work. I can't fault their workmanship tbh.

26th November 2009, 18:21

thanks for all the advise guys does anyone know what sort of power i should be running once its cammed. my setup will be

piper 4-1 manifold (decat)
straight through custom stainless centre pipe and backbox
raceland enclosed air filter with green filter
newmans ph3 cam
remap

cheers jamie

26th November 2009, 19:49

about 120-125hp maybe ? providing the custom exhaust is well made obviously.

26th November 2009, 22:05

thanks alot mate, what other mods would i have to look into to get around 130-135 cheers

26th November 2009, 22:13

why not go 708s they are good i heard

26th November 2009, 22:20

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Originally Posted by KeithLemon

why not go 708s they are good i heard

not heard much about them mate. i wouldnt want to go any wilder than the ph3 to be honest because i dont want to change the ecu system

26th November 2009, 22:23

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Originally Posted by KeithLemon

why not go 708s they are good i heard

Catcam 708s refer to a set of cams (two) for the 16V engine - no good for an 8V engine which has a single cam.

26th November 2009, 22:28

i heard you can just put the one cam shaft in though

26th November 2009, 22:30

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Originally Posted by KeithLemon

i heard you can just put the one cam shaft in though

Nope - they are designed for a totally different engine. You need a camshaft for the 8V engine.

27th November 2009, 16:52

cheers guys. has anyone heard of autotech in ripley and know if they are any good thats the company who ive got in mind for setting up my cams on rr and remapping.

27th November 2009, 17:40

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Originally Posted by shinner_vtr

cheers guys. has anyone heard of autotech in ripley and know if they are any good thats the company who ive got in mind for setting up my cams on rr and remapping.

Chipwizards in Rochdale can map your standard ECU and adjust timing to suit.

Not sure if Northampton Motorsport will map a car without a standalone ECU, but I assume they'd adjust the timing for you. Same goes for Motoscope in Northallerton.

I wouldn't bother remapping a cammed VTR if I'm honest - it felt like mine would have little to gain from mapping as it already ran really well (AFRs were checked on the dyno and found to be fine) with respectable RR results. I'd get the timing adjusted by one of the above companies, then see how the car feels and decide what to do from there.

27th November 2009, 17:43

non of those companies are anywere near where i love mate so i dont think ill be going to any of them. The company ive spoke to said theyll time the cam and then tell me if remapping is the right way to go

27th November 2009, 17:52

By all means give them a try mate, but I would definitely drive the extra miles to have the car setup by a reputable company. I made the mistake of going to a 'local firm' and they nearly trashed my engine - they retarded the timing a stupid amount so the engine had piston/ valve contact, rounded the cam pulley bolt off etc.

According to Google Maps, it's ~60 mile each way from you to Chipwizards. That's nothing compared to what some people will travel... i.e people travelling from the bottom end of the country up to GMC in Scotland.

It's worth it for piece of mind alone - the market seems to be flooded with superchips/ people who hook their laptop up to the car (who haven't a clue what they're doing), make a few tweaks and hope for the best. If you give half a damn about your car and drive it spiritedly, you want it setup by someone who's an expert in their field, with a good reputation.

27th November 2009, 18:02

cheers mate im going to do some reasearch on the company and see what theyve done in the past and way up my options cheers for the advise mate

27th November 2009, 18:10

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Originally Posted by shinner_vtr

cheers mate im going to do some reasearch on the company and see what theyve done in the past and way up my options cheers for the advise mate

No problem mate. Wasn't having a go or anything - just sick of reading about self-assured individuals/ tuning firms ripping people off and damaging engines! Don't make the mistake I did.

27th November 2009, 18:20

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Originally Posted by LeeumH

No problem mate. Wasn't having a go or anything - just sick of reading about self-assured individuals/ tuning firms ripping people off and damaging engines! Don't make the mistake I did.

i didnt think you was having a go just giving me a heads up really. ill do my reaserch before paying for anything