Green stuff pads.

1. TforTurner L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 49

   #1 21st November 2009, 21:37

   Hi guys,
   I was just wondering what the difference in performance is between green stuff pads and standard OM pads. And also difference in performance between normal, grooved and drilled disks.
   Any help would be greatly appreciated.
   Cheers
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 21st November 2009, 21:46

   I found greenstuff to br truely awful!
3. TforTurner L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 49

   #3 21st November 2009, 21:48

   What would you recommend?
4. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

   #4 21st November 2009, 22:00

   You want an honest opinion on greenstuff?
   They are utter shite!
   My set spent more time as paperweights than they did on the car!
   Caused lots of vibration due to deposits left on the disk and made a hell of a mess
   
   pagid rs4 2 blue are the best pad available for fast road and some track use
   
   ferodo ds 2220 i think is the number of my 2nd choice pads
   avoid drilled disks!
5. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #5 21st November 2009, 22:02

   What's the spec of your car? You just drive it on the road?
6. TforTurner L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 49

   #6 21st November 2009, 22:07

   Its not a saxo... It's a Peugeot 307 XSI 2.0l 16v (petrol), all standard at the moment but im looking at getting started with some subtle mods very soon. I think I may just stick with standard for the mean time having read this.
   Cheers guys.
7. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

   #7 21st November 2009, 22:44

   i hear the yellow stuff are very good for road and spirited driving
8. wolfie3291 Infrequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Peterborough Posts: 236 peugeot 306 Dturbo

   #8 21st November 2009, 22:51

   iv heard of the fricton material coming away from the metal of the pad?? dont know how true this is as i have never seen with my own eyes tho.
9. scottyvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Paisley / Brighouse lol Posts: 4561 Corsa VXRacing

   #9 21st November 2009, 23:02

   well ................ jules had them on her car for 3.5 years and didnt change the front pads/disc's once and thats was with varied(sp?) driving styles inc 1/4 mile runs at crail raceway.
   
   
   the rears didnt have to change the disc's but there was a small hairline crack went through 3 sets of pads due to a sizing calipers but again thats was them being on the car the same time as the fronts
   
   
   all in all we were well pleased with them and may use them again in the future, atm they we've changed the fronts for mintex disc's/pads bit better from cold, and give of the same amount (in our opinion) break dust as the ebc
10. Predator_R32p Super Moderator Joined: Mar 2003 Durham (England) Posts: 37932 1. AX 2. Mk2 Saxo VTR 3. MK4 R32 DBP

    #10 22nd November 2009, 07:25

    Go get some mintex discs and pads
11. fastroadkid69 Established Member Joined: Jul 2008 chesterfield. tupton Posts: 1501 saxo vtr escort rs

    #11 23rd November 2009, 20:52

    mintex pads and torox disks are superb for me.
12. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #12 23rd November 2009, 21:00

    torox the dinosaur hunter ?! TAR.OX
13. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #13 23rd November 2009, 21:06

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by scottyvtr well ................ jules had them on her car for 3.5 years and didnt change the front pads/disc's once and thats was with varied(sp?) driving styles inc 1/4 mile runs at crail raceway.

    Last time I checked 1/4mile runs involve the go pedal not the brakes, and even then the braking after isnt like a track day where its braking on and off for several hard minutes.
14. Mark51p Super Moderator Joined: Sep 2006 Wakefield Posts: 14427 Golf GT

    #14 23rd November 2009, 21:08

    green stuff on a saxo are just dangerous imo
15. user_16747 Banned Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 4328

    #15 23rd November 2009, 21:11

    Green stuff on any car are dangerous!
16. shannon6460 Regular Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Swansea Posts: 426 Too many to list but all the Paxo related one's ar

    #16 23rd November 2009, 22:11

    I have green stuff on mine and there fine. If thay get stress cracks in them its due to not letting them 'bake' uve gotta get sum heat in them so there hot let em cool down im the 1st few hundred miles and then there fine. If you don't they glaze and crack. and when disks are fitted the drive flange has to be rust free they just need a wd40ing and fine papering. I went on a Delphi brake course and you shud see the shit they tell you to do when you fit disks and pads!
17. scottyvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Aug 2007 Paisley / Brighouse lol Posts: 4561 Corsa VXRacing

    #17 23rd November 2009, 22:45

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Ryan Last time I checked 1/4mile runs involve the go pedal not the brakes, and even then the braking after isnt like a track day where its braking on and off for several hard minutes.

    lol at crail ............. a few hundred yards of tarmac after the finish and then its grass ................ so you do need breaks
    
    
    as said the've been great for us and paid for themselfs
18. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #18 23rd November 2009, 22:53

    but thats braking once, I had a set at first thought they were awsome, when i started to use them properly found they overheated very easily and were not really that good, when we took them off they effectively fell appart to.
19. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #19 23rd November 2009, 22:57

    I'm using red stuff pads all round and they are pretty good. Need a bit of a hard dab to sharpen them up in the morning, but they seem to get better the more heat you get into them. Mine squeal when braking at slow speeds... doesn't really bother me though.
    
    We'll see how they fair with track use though.
20. Gordon Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 543 Phase-II VTR

    #20 23rd November 2009, 23:14

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shannon6460 If thay get stress cracks in them its due to not letting them 'bake' uve gotta get sum heat in them so there hot let em cool down im the 1st few hundred miles and then there fine.!

    This.
    
    I bedded mine in the same way we do on the race cars (hot then cool) and they've been superb so far in the 6 months i've been running them. No 'vibrations' or cracks, no glazing, and great bite from cool.
    
    My mate also runs them on his 306. He's had his discs glowing cherry red and the pads just laughed and carried on.
21. Lozza_vtr Established Member Joined: Jun 2007 Sunny Essex!! Posts: 2342 VW Golf Mk4 1.8T

    #21 24th November 2009, 09:34

    I used green stuff on my last car (vectra), they seemed to do the job pretty good.
22. evans1089 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Chesterfield Posts: 8935 Ibiza Cupra 204bhp

    #22 24th November 2009, 16:37

    Green stuff; they are regarded as a first level brake improvement over stock and can deliver up to 15% improvement in stopping power. However Greenstuff is NOT a hard and long lasting pad and drivers may find Greenstuff last LESS MILES. So if your after a harder, longer lasting pad, then red stuff or mintex m1144's will be better.
23. gavin_t Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 Southend, essex Posts: 2079 1999 mk2 VTS EP3 2004 civic type r

    #23 24th November 2009, 19:16

    Green stuff are wank
    
    
    
    Ferodo DS2500 are pure win though
24. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #24 24th November 2009, 19:27

    stay clear of the red stuff someone mentioned them above. Guy at ebc even said that to me. Think they are the same price as the yellows? Take an age to bed in, and are meant to ruin the discs, have shite bite from cold etc
    Greens are just uprated standard pads really, and not a track pad either.
    
    Yellowstuff and yellowstuff r's are decent enough, cost slightly more than greens but were much better and longer lasting and a hell of a lot less dusty than the mintex m1144s i had.
    And can abuse yellows on track and i got zero fade, if you ever fancy going on a track that is.
    
    If it was just a road car and staying that way, pagid oem pads ftw.
25. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #25 25th November 2009, 13:25

    greenstuff are not good enough for me to sell them..personally i'd rather run oe pads
    
    Kev
26. carllo69 L-plater Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 35

    #26 25th November 2009, 19:22

    Standard are better
27. user_33164 Infrequent Poster Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 245 16v ax s2 rsturbo 406hdi

    #27 25th November 2009, 22:17

    i have redstuff on my track ax have had no probs with them yet and my mate has them on his sc saxo track car and the disks regularly glow red he has had no probs yet
28. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #28 25th November 2009, 22:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 16vax i have redstuff on my track ax have had no probs with them yet and my mate has them on his sc saxo track car and the disks regularly glow red he has had no probs yet

    Glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks red stuff are ok for the money.
    
    It just seems like when anyone mentions EBC pads, everyone jumps on the "EBC are shite" bandwagon because one or two people have had poor experiences with green stuff.
29. TforTurner L-plater Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 49

    #29 25th November 2009, 22:46

    I went for standard EBC pads and disc all round in the end.
    Cheers for all the replies
30. evans1089 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2007 Chesterfield Posts: 8935 Ibiza Cupra 204bhp

    #30 25th November 2009, 22:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TforTurner I went for standard EBC pads and disc all round in the end. Cheers for all the replies

    where you get them from?
31. tobomoto Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Essexshire Posts: 1885 zx7r, 28 seater optare

    #31 26th November 2009, 21:16

    i had greenstuff pads on my car and bedded them in properly ect. i was driving rather 'spiritedly' from my work to my house (about 7 miles of back roads), part of this was through a village where it is a 30 limit. after that i gave it the beans again for approx 1 1/2 miles. hit the brakes from 60 ish and the pads went spongy, and so did my pants. i changed the pads later that day for some standard ones. there was loads of life left in the ebc pads but they just didnt seem to live up to my expectations and i wont be using them ever again in any car.