200 bhp ???

1. hammertoe L-plater Joined: Sep 2009 south croydon Posts: 56 i had a 1.2 5 door clio mk one .induction kit whee

   #1 24th November 2009, 22:26

   just read thread bout 300 bhp seems a pain so i would like apinions on the best way to get 200 bhp ???
2. saxmad88 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 middlesex Posts: 229 106 gti

   #2 24th November 2009, 22:29

   200 will be na or boosted,
   
   Na you will be at its highest tune
   
   Where as turbo your be lowest tune and have a huge scope for more power. All depends what your gunna want after 200 bhp?
3. hammertoe L-plater Joined: Sep 2009 south croydon Posts: 56 i had a 1.2 5 door clio mk one .induction kit whee

   #3 24th November 2009, 22:42

   na ? never known what this ment lol
4. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #4 24th November 2009, 22:44

   naturally aspirated
5. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

   #5 24th November 2009, 22:45

   Naturally Aspirated. EG, no form of forced induction such as a supercharger or turbo.
   
   Have a search mate its been covered many times before
6. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #6 24th November 2009, 22:45

   naturally aspirated
   
   so no boost just atmospheric air pressire
7. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

   #7 24th November 2009, 22:45

   naturally aspirated
   
   so no boost just atmospheric air pressire
8. Paulp Super Moderator Joined: Aug 2007 Lancashire Posts: 14256 Astra VXR + 1989 Astra GTE

   #8 24th November 2009, 22:46

   200 will be very hard to achieve NA.
   
   Cheaper to go boosted if you want 200BHP on your drive to talk about in the pub.
9. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #9 24th November 2009, 22:46

   Again, boost will be easier to achieve that figure and probably cheaper tbh
   
   But NA is achievable, Ryan's is around that
10. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #10 24th November 2009, 23:25

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SaXo_vtr123 Again, boost will be easier to achieve that figure and probably cheaper tbh But NA is achievable, Ryan's is around that

    on mildish cams compaired to what I could run.
    
    Pushing it to 210-220+ will involve a decent box though so i cant be fucked
11. user_27114 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Sep 2008 jarraaaaaaaaaa Posts: 3580 Mk2 16v VTR + Nitrous

    #11 25th November 2009, 22:47

    Cammed vts with 50 shot of nitrous should get you near.
12. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #12 25th November 2009, 23:23

    Turbo FTW.
    
    Obviously I love the purist N/A, but I'm a closet whore - my demonstrator is a Saxo, but my mistress is an MR2 Turbo. Boost boost BOOST.
    
    Whatever way I slice it, I don't care if you have to wait a second out of a corner, when it arrives it is with such force it doesn't even owe you an apology for being late.
    
    Andy
13. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #13 25th November 2009, 23:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by luthor1 Turbo FTW. Obviously I love the purist N/A, but I'm a closet whore - my demonstrator is a Saxo, but my mistress is an MR2 Turbo. Boost boost BOOST. Whatever way I slice it, I don't care if you have to wait a second out of a corner, when it arrives it is with such force it doesn't even owe you an apology for being late. Andy

    Put superbly!! True petrol head!
    
    Lol@ closet whore
14. Ashleyp Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Apr 2008 Bedford & Manchester Posts: 17504

    #14 25th November 2009, 23:51

    luthor you dirty man
15. KamRacing Saxperience Addict Joined: Nov 2006 A farm shed in Aylesbury Posts: 14916 Corolla AE86 Peugeot 205 B18C (in bits)

    #15 26th November 2009, 10:58

    if you are chasing big power then its a no brainer. Turbos make the job a lot cheaper.
    If you are after finesse, then n/a is the way to go.
    Both are pointless if your chassis cannot cope with the scenario you intend to use it for though...
    
    Kev
16. hammertoe L-plater Joined: Sep 2009 south croydon Posts: 56 i had a 1.2 5 door clio mk one .induction kit whee

    #16 26th November 2009, 17:13

    so what could be expected if i had vts, cammed and throtle bodys ???
17. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #17 26th November 2009, 17:48

    around 160bhp - will depend on the cams
18. ATFoxy106 L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 96

    #18 26th November 2009, 18:06

    WELL ,, a basically tuned camed,TB'd engine will be putting out 150 easily, and 170 luckily,
    
    it is possibly to get 220 out off a N/a 1.6GTI when we build the 1.4 16v saxo rally car we will be looking at N/A 160 bhp minimum
19. coleman258 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Eastbourne Posts: 2474 Astra van daily Black Saxo VTR 16v'd kent PT51

    #19 26th November 2009, 18:09

    Am i right in thinking a turbo is much more likely to eat parts like gear boxes? or does it all depend on how you build it?
20. coleman258 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 Eastbourne Posts: 2474 Astra van daily Black Saxo VTR 16v'd kent PT51

    #20 26th November 2009, 18:13

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MYSaxo you probably couldn't even make toast

    Tbh your a cunt.
21. KeithLemon L-plater Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 66

    #21 26th November 2009, 18:23

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ATFoxy106 WELL ,, a basically tuned camed,TB'd engine will be putting out 150 easily, and 170 luckily, it is possibly to get 220 out off a N/a 1.6GTI when we build the 1.4 16v saxo rally car we will be looking at N/A 160 bhp minimum

    a 1.4 16v saxo engine?
    
    didnt know there was such a thing
    
    how do you plan to get 220? ive not seen any above 200 and thats the 1.6 16v done
22. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #22 26th November 2009, 18:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KeithLemon a 1.4 16v saxo engine? didnt know there was such a thing how do you plan to get 220? ive not seen any above 200 and thats the 1.6 16v done

    It'e either a hybrid engine or one of the new ones with vvt iirc
23. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #23 26th November 2009, 18:28

    ^ ^ looooooooooooooooooooooooooool
24. saxmad88 Infrequent Poster Joined: Oct 2006 middlesex Posts: 229 106 gti

    #24 26th November 2009, 19:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by coleman258 Am i right in thinking a turbo is much more likely to eat parts like gear boxes? or does it all depend on how you build it?

    If you build it with the right spec parts it will be just as reliable as a standard car.
    
    Ma type gearboxs become a problem when you go above 240 @ wheels, 3rd and 5th gear tend to shred themselves nicely. But this can be sorted by putting a be type gearbox in.
25. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

    #25 27th November 2009, 18:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KeithLemon a 1.4 16v saxo engine? didnt know there was such a thing how do you plan to get 220? ive not seen any above 200 and thats the 1.6 16v done

    16v head on a modified bottom end.
    
    Sandy brown has done it, as have several other cars in motorsport classes.
    
    Lewis/bics engine made 207 on longmans dyno, 220 can be done most people tend to not go for really wild cams etc.. as they dont have a 6-8k sadev.