How to tell if your axles "gone"

26th November 2009, 13:56

How can you tell if your axles gone?

my car seems to be sitting a small amount lower but im not sure if im just getting paranoid

26th November 2009, 14:01

your wheels should start to slowly cave in at the top so it looks like you have camber (shouldn't have on a torsion bar)

at least that's what my garage told me, if i were you just get new bearings

26th November 2009, 14:48

Will have a slight amount of camber but only a little.

jack the wheel up and see if there is play at all by rocking it backwards and forwards.

26th November 2009, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Aron

Will have a slight amount of camber but only a little.

jack the wheel up and see if there is play at all by rocking it backwards and forwards.

exactly what Aron said mate on my old beam both bearings fucked but one wheel had camber but the other was straight. Also it starts crabing aswell and very bad when driving

26th November 2009, 15:09

Check the wear on the tyres, if its uneven wear then that can indicate a worn beam.

26th November 2009, 15:17

Good chance is if you've only just noticed it, if you were to replace the bearings in the trailing arms then it will be like new again. Its only when you start getting bad camber/play in the arm that it has completely 'gone'. The only real way of seeing it is OK or not is the take off the trailing arms and inspect the stub axle. Will probably have marks on it but unless its pitted/has grooves it is still perfectly usable.

Best to check it out ASAP, for the sake of a new bearing kit - £60 or a recon/new beam - £300+ it saves a lot of hassle in the future.

26th November 2009, 15:49

Give these guys a shout if you need any parts. Stub Pins are to GrpN standard aswell.

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/4

26th November 2009, 16:42

so when an axle "goes" it basically means the bearings are going? ive had a weird feeling in the car when i swerve from left to right ever since i lowered it, it feels like the back wheels are locked on ice, and i was told to wobble the wheels with the car jacked up but it all felt fine.
so jack it up and wobble the wheels around and see if theres any movement?

26th November 2009, 16:56

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Originally Posted by NICK2506

so when an axle "goes" it basically means the bearings are going? ive had a weird feeling in the car when i swerve from left to right ever since i lowered it, it feels like the back wheels are locked on ice, and i was told to wobble the wheels with the car jacked up but it all felt fine.
so jack it up and wobble the wheels around and see if theres any movement?

Yep, jack it up on and get it on axle stands (placed where you normally jack it up on the sills). Then make sure its stable... To find if your bearings are going - one hand on the top of the wheel, the other benhind it on the bottom of the wheel.

Push your hand away from you and pull the one on the underneath to you. If you can feel it wobble a bit get the bearings replaced. Its easy enough

26th November 2009, 16:58

yes as above or just stand looking at the back of your car and if the axle is going you will have camber on the wheels (ie the top of the wheel will sit further in the arch than the bottom)

26th November 2009, 16:59

if you find it is gone it is sometimes easier and cheaper to just get another vtr axle and swap them over, just make sure if you buy another axle the bearings are ok.

who lowered your car? what method did they use to lower it?

26th November 2009, 17:02

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Originally Posted by db_sax

Give these guys a shout if you need any parts. Stub Pins are to GrpN standard aswell.

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/4

Good find !!! I'm going to get a few bits from them !!

26th November 2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Dan-Subtle

if you find it is gone it is sometimes easier and cheaper to just get another vtr axle and swap them over, just make sure if you buy another axle the bearings are ok.

who lowered your car? what method did they use to lower it?

tweeqd off here, the guys with the turbo'd, nitroused AX.

they did it properly. tortion bars out and adjust each side and torsion bars back in. not the click method!

26th November 2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by raunchz

Good find !!! I'm going to get a few bits from them !!

Thats exactly what i thought. Ive pm'd him to ask if he's dealt with them before. as they are very cheap

EDIT - Had a reply from db-sax and they seem to be a good company. Ill definately be dealing with them soon.

26th November 2009, 17:50

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Originally Posted by Harv

Yep, jack it up on and get it on axle stands (placed where you normally jack it up on the sills). Then make sure its stable... To find if your bearings are going - one hand on the top of the wheel, the other benhind it on the bottom of the wheel.

Push your hand away from you and pull the one on the underneath to you. If you can feel it wobble a bit get the bearings replaced. Its easy enough

will it be quite obvious? like will it move quite a bit?

26th November 2009, 18:04

i may have to check this out aswell, the wheel on on side looks a bit cambered

Hopefuly its just the bearings.

26th November 2009, 20:32

i was with my pal wen he was doing my mot n wen he saw the disc had been rubbing he said its not lookin good for the axle .. maybe if ye have a swatch at the inside of the rear wheels .. otherwise do the un-lazy thing n jack tht bitch up n give the wheels a shoogle ..

26th November 2009, 20:33

ps iv jus paid out 700 bucks to fix the axle n a couple other things for tht damn mot! lol its no the end of the world if it is .. few guys on here will help ye out ..

26th November 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Andy_Hart

i was with my pal wen he was doing my mot n wen he saw the disc had been rubbing he said its not lookin good for the axle .. maybe if ye have a swatch at the inside of the rear wheels .. otherwise do the un-lazy thing n jack tht bitch up n give the wheels a shoogle ..

disc had been rubbing on what?

27th November 2009, 15:35

i think it was like the anlge had made the disc rub a pad or sum shit .. ma motor was totally goosed but .. wasnt jus the axle .. thts y am jus sayin look cos it may have sumhin to do wif it
havnt got the biggest clue bout motors but a saw how much play my far side rear wheel had n it was scary ..

30th November 2009, 05:23

camber is best detection or jack up the car and take off the handbrake, grab top and bottom of wheel and pull/push top to bottom, if there is freed movement then axle is goosed....

Please change the title of your thread by taking out the swearing

Thanks

30th November 2009, 07:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Give these guys a shout if you need any parts. Stub Pins are to GrpN standard aswell.

http://www.imaxle.co.uk/catalog/4

Just the link i neeeded, me axle's on its way out.

30th November 2009, 13:40

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Originally Posted by D--R--E--W

camber is best detection or jack up the car and take off the handbrake, grab top and bottom of wheel and pull/push top to bottom, if there is freed movement then axle is goosed....

Please change the title of your thread by taking out the swearing

Thanks

title edited

yeah i need to do that, will the back end get any lower?? or stay the same height?

30th November 2009, 18:54

see my sig, we refurb beams

those axles dont include rear hubs and bearings which cost £20 each minimum

also no such thing as Grp N pins!! they are hardened to extend there life span

30th November 2009, 18:56

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Originally Posted by NICK2506

title edited

yeah i need to do that, will the back end get any lower?? or stay the same height?

you may have knackered shocks, have you noticed any louder banging from the rear? thats what mine done and the rear went a little lower

30th November 2009, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Scott-jarvis

Just the link i neeeded, me axle's on its way out.

np, year gurantee and £15 exchange postage, if you aint local.

Main Beam refurb:
£150

Full beam:
£250 on exchange basis
£275 without

Quote:

Originally Posted by piggy123

see my sig, we refurb beams

those axles dont include rear hubs and bearings which cost £20 each minimum

also no such thing as Grp N pins!! they are hardened to extend there life span

Bearings and hubs are included on exchange basis mate! All in.

Stub pins titled GrpN on special tuning. Theyre made from a higher quality steel than standard ones.

30th November 2009, 19:30

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Originally Posted by D--R--E--W

you may have knackered shocks, have you noticed any louder banging from the rear? thats what mine done and the rear went a little lower

no banging or anything. i think im just getting paranoid.

its just when i take pics of my car the front doesnt look right, looks as if its too high, worked out it cant be too high so the back must be lower, thought this was to do with the axle

dont think it is. but im now getting paranoid about the slight camber on my wheels just incase the bearings are shot!

9th December 2009, 10:35

i fitted vtr alloys to my saxo 1.1 02 plate and eventually we car has started leaning to one side on the passenger side and looks to be the front and back and the rear wheel wud rub on the wheel arch wen i wud corner so i took it 2 the pug specialist in nuneaton and they said everything was fine and after a while all saxo's tend to lean to one side even on a level surface and they sugested i just put sum harder shocks on the rear to prevent it rubbing on the arch,since then i have changed the standerd shocks and have put sum heavy duty gas shocks on the has stopped the rubbing but ca still seems a bit dipped at the rear and also looks low on the front based on wen i have a m8 in the front it looks lowe on tht side but have bumped tested it both sides and seem the same and doesn't appear to be the front shock or spring can any1 help asap

9th December 2009, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

np, year gurantee and £15 exchange postage, if you aint local.

Main Beam refurb:
£150

Full beam:
£250 on exchange basis
£275 without

Bearings and hubs are included on exchange basis mate! All in.

Stub pins titled GrpN on special tuning. Theyre made from a higher quality steel than standard ones.

Your talking about a different stubb pin -as Sam said theres no such thing as a group n stubb pin (the pin that the bearings go on / are pressed into the yellow beam)

Also - if the pins are marked in ANY way then they should be changed / replaced - this requires a new beam or very large press to press in new pins (which citroen dont sell on there own, they will sell you a new beam at 450quid + bearings)

Lukee - The Nuneaton "specialist" clearly doesnt have a clue what he is on about, it isnt 'fine' its actualy 'fu*ked' because the stubb pin which the bearings sit on has worn away quite badly. We (me & piggy123) arent far away from you (Near Market Bosworth) and we refurb the beams. Drop Sam (Piggy123) a PM mate.

9th December 2009, 11:18

hey guys, ive recently bought a new beam from imaxle, would of gone to sam on here but it was a gift from a family member.
The service was very good and the beam is very well made. as these guys are relitavley new to us i thought i post up saying i was very pleased with the product and service.

By no means am i comparing sam&jp to imaxle. They both offer good service, its just that jp and sam have been on this site alot longer so people trust them more. Id happily reccomend either of these people for a new beam.

9th December 2009, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpsaxo

Your talking about a different stubb pin -as Sam said theres no such thing as a group n stubb pin (the pin that the bearings go on / are pressed into the yellow beam)

Also - if the pins are marked in ANY way then they should be changed / replaced - this requires a new beam or very large press to press in new pins (which citroen dont sell on there own, they will sell you a new beam at 450quid + bearings)

Lukee - The Nuneaton "specialist" clearly doesnt have a clue what he is on about, it isnt 'fine' its actualy 'fu*ked' because the stubb pin which the bearings sit on has worn away quite badly. We (me & piggy123) arent far away from you (Near Market Bosworth) and we refurb the beams. Drop Sam (Piggy123) a PM mate.

Yeh am not talking about that one, im talking about the ones that you can get GrpNs of the stubb pins, NOT the axel pins.

And the beam that citroen sell for £450 is what IMaxels sell for £150. All refurbs have new pins all around and bearings.

9th December 2009, 11:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR_N

hey guys, ive recently bought a new beam from imaxle, would of gone to sam on here but it was a gift from a family member.
The service was very good and the beam is very well made. as these guys are relitavley new to us i thought i post up saying i was very pleased with the product and service.

By no means am i comparing sam&jp to imaxle. They both offer good service, its just that jp and sam have been on this site alot longer so people trust them more. Id happily reccomend either of these people for a new beam.

Glad you had a good experience!

9th December 2009, 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Yeh am not talking about that one, im talking about the ones that you can get GrpNs of the stubb pins, NOT the axel pins

Yeah i know thats what i just said Lol

9th December 2009, 13:07

Just to clear things up, We (Imaxle) put new stub axles, the inner ones that press into the tube in all of our axles we sell. I think what danny is trying to say is, we sell the outer ones also, that the wheel bearing go's on. They are alot better quality than standard ones, so thats why he is referring to them as grpN, but they will be the same or stronger than the ones advertised as grpN elsewhere. Hope this clears up any confusion.

9th December 2009, 13:24

Are the outer ones known to be a weak point then? Ive never come across any that have been bent etc so far in all the beams we've done.

So i wouldnt imagine that part would need upgrading?

I've given my saxo some serious stick since it was built and never had any issues on tarmac surfaces & i dont know anyone else thats had any problems. Unless your rallying then maybe it could be required i guess...

9th December 2009, 13:36

we have had some from cars that have hit kerbs etc that have been bent, we are aiming at the fast road/ track and rallying market with the stronger ones, and also, its still a hugely cheaper option that buying the whole arm with a new stub pin fitted from pug/citroen.

9th December 2009, 17:27

i fitted vtr alloys to my saxo 1.1 02 plate and eventually we car has started leaning to one side on the passenger side and looks to be the front and back and the rear wheel wud rub on the wheel arch wen i wud corner so i took it 2 the pug specialist in nuneaton and they said everything was fine and after a while all saxo's tend to lean to one side even on a level surface and they sugested i just put sum harder shocks on the rear to prevent it rubbing on the arch,since then i have changed the standerd shocks and have put sum heavy duty gas shocks on the has stopped the rubbing but ca still seems a bit dipped at the rear and also looks low on the front based on wen i have a m8 in the front it looks lowe on tht side but have bumped tested it both sides and seem the same and doesn't appear to be the front shock or spring can any1 help asap

9th December 2009, 18:47

Can you give me a price on pins supplied please, i may be interested in a bulk buy of them for my customers.

10th December 2009, 18:24

guys my vts axle looks a bit dodgy. on the rear drivers side the top of the wheel goes into the arch about 10-15mm than the passenger side .

do u think it could be the bearings?

whtats the best way to check this out and how cheap would it be to fix

thanks , jordy

6th January 2012, 21:36

mines gone totaly fucked locked up at 30 mph then unlocked got worse and locked up at 85ish sredded the tyre and sent me shaking down the street .. its a westcoast so gonna cost more to fix than its worth.bad times

6th January 2012, 21:40

nice 2 year bump

oh, and unlucky lol

6th January 2012, 23:53

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Originally Posted by rabagee

mines gone totaly fucked locked up at 30 mph then unlocked got worse and locked up at 85ish sredded the tyre and sent me shaking down the street .. its a westcoast so gonna cost more to fix than its worth.bad times

if its that bad then its been fucked for a long time, and if youve left it like that soooo long without noticing you need help

7th January 2012, 21:49

ive only had it 5 months , first car too

2 year bumps all the way