camming a vts ?

1st December 2009, 18:36

this is the first car i've owned so dont really know alot ! thinking of camming my vts, found a set that looks pretty good. http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?a=i&p=391CT50
could you tell me if there any good please ? or if theres any better more popular ones thanks

1st December 2009, 18:38

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Originally Posted by james-vtsss

this is the first car i've owned so dont really know alot ! thinking of camming my vts, found a set that looks pretty good. http://www.larkspeed.com/index.pl?a=i&p=391CT50
could you tell me if there any good please ? or if theres any better more popular ones thanks

I would say thats a tad expensive - you dont need vernier pulleys as vts's come with them as standard.

Newmans equivalent cams are £300+VAT and delivery to give you an idea - plus then you'll ideally need a new cambelt when fitting them

1st December 2009, 20:36

ah right cheer's mate, i went to my local garage and he said if im camming my car, i mayaswell get the vernier pulleys at the same time instead of later otherwise its pretty much the same job done twice.

so im not really sure, and i dont quite understand the lift's on them and the timming

2nd December 2009, 00:14

well the standard vts pulleys are adjustable so your mechanic is talking shit

2nd December 2009, 02:56

your mechanic is talking shit bud!! must be trying to ripp you off......

2nd December 2009, 09:50

Just in case you are in any doubts mate - I will say it too, your mechanic is talking SHIT.

I cannot think of a single reason to change the pulleys for aftermarket ones. There is almost no difference in weight, and the standard ones are ALSO adjustable.

Gimmick me up Scotty.

Kind regards

Andy

2nd December 2009, 16:23

Your mechanic is not talking shit. He just may not know the stock ones are adjustable as very few cars use this setup.

The reason it is the case in these engines is to adjust and get the correct belt tension.

The major benifit of Vernier pulleys are they are scaled, so at a glance you can measure how much you are moving the timing. This makes setting them up, and later adjustments alot easier. This will save you time + Money. If you are planning on doing alot of work to your car over time, then i will go against the grain and advise you did get proper vernier pulleys (not just adjustable ones). If however, you just want to fit and forget, then pocket the cash and just use the stock ones

I hope this clears things up

Kind Regards

Garry

2nd December 2009, 16:51

Advising the customer when you don't *KNOW* is irresponsible IMHO. He has at best assumed they are not adjustable, and potentially cost a customer hundreds of pounds.

2nd December 2009, 16:54

No argument there. Not all mechanics know the ins and out of every engine. Or he was trying to make the job easier for himself by having a proper product to do the job acuratly.

Who knows?

But now the OP has all the info he needs to make an informed decision on what parts to get

Garry

2nd December 2009, 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MotorSportWorld

Your mechanic is not talking shit. He just may not know the stock ones are adjustable as very few cars use this setup.

The reason it is the case in these engines is to adjust and get the correct belt tension.

The major benifit of Vernier pulleys are they are scaled, so at a glance you can measure how much you are moving the timing. This makes setting them up, and later adjustments alot easier. This will save you time + Money. If you are planning on doing alot of work to your car over time, then i will go against the grain and advise you did get proper vernier pulleys (not just adjustable ones). If however, you just want to fit and forget, then pocket the cash and just use the stock ones

I hope this clears things up

Kind Regards

Garry

but technically he is talking shit cos he said they werent adjustable when they are

haa lol

2nd December 2009, 17:14

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Originally Posted by NICK2506

but technically he is talking shit cos he said they werent adjustable when they are

haa lol

Did he? I thought he said...

Quote:

Originally Posted by james-vtsss

he said "if im camming my car, i mayaswell get the vernier pulleys at the same time instead of later otherwise its pretty much the same job done twice."

Dont get me wrong, i see your point, but your turning something simple into a witch hunt. Its not needed. Thats all.

Kind Regards

Garry

2nd December 2009, 17:30

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Originally Posted by MotorSportWorld

Did he? I thought he said...

Dont get me wrong, i see your point, but your turning something simple into a witch hunt. Its not needed. Thats all.

Kind Regards

Garry

fair enough

just thought you were contradicting your self a bit. didnt want to have a go, just thought i was picking up on a silly error. obviously not

haha

2nd December 2009, 17:33

No worries dude

2nd December 2009, 18:24

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Originally Posted by NICK2506

fair enough

just thought you were contradicting your self a bit. didnt want to have a go, just thought i was picking up on a silly error. obviously not

haha

So you were trying to be clever. Hardly helps the thread.

Newman ph3 and catcam 708's are the common choice when camming vts' good gains without having to change the inlet. Once fitted to get the best you will need to either remap your eco or get a standalone ecu to get the best from them.

Before cams id look at getting a performance manifold and exhaust.

2nd December 2009, 18:47

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Originally Posted by saxo_ron

So you were trying to be clever. Hardly helps the thread.

Newman ph3 and catcam 708's are the common choice when camming vts' good gains without having to change the inlet. Once fitted to get the best you will need to either remap your eco or get a standalone ecu to get the best from them.

Before cams id look at getting a performance manifold and exhaust.

no i just thought that this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MotorSportWorld

Your mechanic is not talking shit. He just may not know the stock ones are adjustable as very few cars use this setup.

didnt make sense because he was saying hes not talking shit, he just doesnt realise what set up a saxo has. meaning he therefore is talking shit, as what he was saying is irrelevant to saxos.

dont worry.

2nd December 2009, 19:31

Im not worried

2nd December 2009, 20:42

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Originally Posted by saxo_ron

Im not worried

good good. i was just trying to help the thread. sorry one of my posts wasnt perfect.

2nd December 2009, 20:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by NICK2506

good good. i was just trying to help the thread. sorry one of my posts wasnt perfect.

No ones perfect nick dont be so hard on yourself

3rd December 2009, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by saxo_ron

So you were trying to be clever. Hardly helps the thread.

Newman ph3 and catcam 708's are the common choice when camming vts' good gains without having to change the inlet. Once fitted to get the best you will need to either remap your eco or get a standalone ecu to get the best from them.

Before cams id look at getting a performance manifold and exhaust.

oh right, cheers for the advice mate, i got a manifold,exhaust and induction on it now, i thought the next upgrade would be camming it

after camming it, and i go to get a remap and a chip are they the same thing or 2 different thing's ?

3rd December 2009, 17:10

A remap is normally when the stock ECU is adjusted.

A chip is normally when an aftermarker chip set is fitted the the stock ECU. This can then be adjusted.

Its pretty much a commen term either way for adjusting the fueling and ignition to suit your new mods and get it all running at its best

I hope that helps.

Kind Regards

Garry