PH1 Cammed VTR will it be remapped ?

1. Mallyauto86 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 France Just Under The Eifel Tower Posts: 1723

   #1 7th December 2009, 17:27

   im picking up my new VTR on friday it's a mk1 VTR that has PH1 Cam,
   timing belt bin done etc so im happy bout that im just wondering will it have bin remapped ? or not neciserily ?
   
   it was fitted in a pro garage according to reciepts but the current owner doesnt know if it was mappedjust wonderd cuz if its not i will be wanting to do it.
2. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #2 7th December 2009, 17:31

   Not mate, not needed with the PH1!
3. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #3 7th December 2009, 17:32

   as above p1 made as an upgrade. especialy not requiring a remap.
4. Mallyauto86 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 France Just Under The Eifel Tower Posts: 1723

   #4 7th December 2009, 18:19

   would it be worth getting one tho ?
5. user_4681 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Dec 2004 Grimsby United Kingdom (England) Posts: 5489 SUPERCHARGED saxo vts

   #5 7th December 2009, 18:20

   not for the money
6. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #6 7th December 2009, 18:22

   I doubt you'll notice any difference tbh - my breathed gained ~8bhp with a Kent PT40, similar profile to the PH3.
7. Mallyauto86 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 France Just Under The Eifel Tower Posts: 1723

   #7 7th December 2009, 18:28

   oh hmm i see mite get a ph3 in janurary
8. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #8 7th December 2009, 18:30

   For what it costs/ entails, I wouldn't bother mate. Can hardly tell the difference.
   
   Save your money towards a 16V transplant.

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9. JamesRm Forum Section Moderator Joined: Aug 2008 Liverpool Posts: 15517 Saxo VTR

   #9 7th December 2009, 18:31

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by LeeumH For what it costs/ entails, I wouldn't bother mate. Can hardly tell the difference. Save your money towards a 16V transplant.

   A Ph3 with a map should give around 20bhp, i dont know how you only got 8

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10. ATFoxy106 L-plater Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 96

    #10 7th December 2009, 18:35

    lol pt40 should give atleast 15-20 bhp on a well breathing motor, your engine must have been severly worn out
11. Mallyauto86 Established Member Joined: Nov 2008 France Just Under The Eifel Tower Posts: 1723

    #11 7th December 2009, 18:35

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH For what it costs/ entails, I wouldn't bother mate. Can hardly tell the difference. Save your money towards a 16V transplant.

    yeh thinks thats best lol
12. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #12 7th December 2009, 18:36

    20bhp over standard is do-able with an unmapped PH3 and breathing mods - mine made 118bhp at the fly and ran fine. For what it cost me though, it didn't feel any quicker... closer ratio gearbox may have helped but you have to draw the line somewhere. May as well drop a valver in and have 120bhp from stock.
    
    I don't think a cammed VTR would have much to gain from a remap tbh... maybe 2-3bhp at the most. Would be worthwhile mapping with a wilder cam - i.e a Kent PT41.
    
    The engine only had 36k miles on IIRC. If you don't believe me, fit a PT40 yourself and see what the figures are like.
13. Wizzy Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Wokingham, Berkshire Posts: 606 16v VTR

    #13 7th December 2009, 18:38

    He rolled 118 or there abouts unmapped iirc.^^ Edit- Got in before me
    
    My old vtr engine made 119.5 with a pt40 and the usual breathing mods, also unmapped. Id expect approx 125ish with a map. thats from a 98bhp base..
14. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #14 7th December 2009, 18:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wizzy My old vtr engine made 119.5 with a pt40 and the usual breathing mods, also unmapped. Id expect approx 125ish with a map. thats from a 98bhp base..

    I bet the 16V in standard guise feels quicker in every way though?
    
    If I had a gun to my head and had to cam a VTR again, would be with something wild like a PT41. Wouldn't bother with anything milder.
15. Wizzy Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2009 Wokingham, Berkshire Posts: 606 16v VTR

    #15 7th December 2009, 18:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LeeumH I bet the 16V in standard guise feels quicker in every way though? If I had a gun to my head and had to cam a VTR again, would be with something wild like a PT41. Wouldn't bother with anything milder.

    Yeh i have to agree, pt41 or ph4 for it to be worthwhile.
    
    A shorter gearbox is the best thing you can do for a vtr, the s2 box i put on mine made more difference than all the engine mods put together.