had my car rolling roaded :S

1. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #1 14th December 2009, 13:20

   as above had my vtr/s RR on saturday and the fueling is really bad as i have no fuel return. pic below
   
   it underfuels before 4000rpm and over fuels after 4000 rpm apparently..
   
   can someone please show me what the fueling should be like please..
   
   all the car has a supersprint race system and decat atnd it ran 119.8
2. VTRlaa Infrequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Wrexham Posts: 158 1994 Rover Mini Sprite 1.3, 2003 Saxo VTR

   #2 14th December 2009, 13:26

   isnt that a really good figure for a VTR??
3. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #3 14th December 2009, 13:28

   its a vtr with vts conversion
4. Michael-B Newbie Joined: Jun 2008 Lancaster Posts: 9 106 GTi

   #4 14th December 2009, 13:34

   Still not that bad.
5. ben_vts Established Member Joined: Jun 2009 keswick Posts: 1166 Clio 197

   #5 14th December 2009, 13:34

   Correct me if iam wrong, they only 120 standard. And takining into consideration things like age, milage, general wear, service history, might explain the low figure you got. What were you hoping for.?
6. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #6 14th December 2009, 13:39

   i dunno really atleast 120 lol..
   
   i mainly posted it up about the fueling if anyone can help please...
7. titchster Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2008 Down't road from Sheffield Posts: 4641 Was:16v 106 XS ..... Now: Import 1.8 MX5

   #7 14th December 2009, 13:41

   Depends on the rollers.
   
   I made 119 on one set, then 142 on another, and all I did was change the air filter, which I somehow doubt gave me 23bhp, so take all results with a pinch of salt.
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 14th December 2009, 14:22

   Fit a fuel return and go from there - I dnt know why people go to all the hassle and expense of doing the engine conversion but scrimp on not fitting a fuel return, it's no harder to do than fit an engine.
9. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

   #9 14th December 2009, 14:40

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by raunchz Fit a fuel return and go from there - I dnt know why people go to all the hassle and expense of doing the engine conversion but scrimp on not fitting a fuel return, it's no harder to do than fit an engine.

   i need to find 6mm fuel hosing..
   the only places i have found fuel hosing come in 1metre lenghts and you have to connect them all together.
   
   can you recomend anywhere that sells 6mm hosing in 5metre lenghts?
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 14th December 2009, 15:09

    How about eBay?! Just enter the quantity you want and it'll come in a continuous length
11. luthor1 Established Member Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 1802

    #11 14th December 2009, 15:36

    Hampshire Hosing in Southampton should sell you lengths of cabling.
    
    Looking at your fueling curve, it's running 13.75 at it's leanest, and 12.5 at it's richest.
    
    To be honest, that's not MILES away, since the ideal AFR is 13:1 at WOT all the way through?
    
    Fit a fuel return first, then see where you are
    
    Kind regards
    
    Andy
12. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #12 14th December 2009, 18:06

    aint that bad tom mine got r.r at 132.9bhp.. i got my graph. il show you when your out next ??
13. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #13 14th December 2009, 18:08

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz How about eBay?! Just enter the quantity you want and it'll come in a continuous length

    was the first place i looked.
14. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #14 14th December 2009, 18:08

    adam i just brought a new janspeed 4-2-1- manifold
15. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #15 14th December 2009, 18:11

    what i got on mine
16. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #16 14th December 2009, 18:14

    i thought you had a 4-1?
17. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #17 14th December 2009, 18:15

    nah 4-2-1
18. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #18 14th December 2009, 18:18

    
    
    duna if it helps tom. wasnt 132.9 bhp my thought lol was 131.7bhp

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19. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #19 14th December 2009, 18:19

    achually its a crap picture cant evan see the fuel ratio onit. il just show you when your out be easier lol
20. yr51ocw Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 751

    #20 14th December 2009, 18:31

    what pressure FPR valve are you using?
21. user_26566 Established Member Joined: Aug 2008 harlow/ essex Posts: 1414 stealth Vtr/S

    #21 14th December 2009, 18:35

    standard vtr one....
    how much tourque did you have adam..
22. adam19 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2008 Harlow, essex Posts: 2731 Clio 182

    #22 14th December 2009, 18:37

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toms_vtr standard vtr one.... how much tourque did you have adam..

    think he worked it out about 126ft lbs .. cant say for sure doesnt say on the paper
23. yr51ocw Frequent Poster Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 751

    #23 14th December 2009, 18:57

    if using the vtr 3.5fpr that will explain the AFR being too rich high up in the rev range.
24. user_16990 Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 810 2001 VTS

    #24 14th December 2009, 19:14

    Those results seem reasonable dude.
    
    I got 124.7Bhp (100Bhp @ the wheels) with breathing mods on my VTS.
    
    Stuff like 142Bhp from a backbox and airfilter etc is horse shit and people that actually believe those figures are retards.
25. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #25 14th December 2009, 23:40

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Finchowned Those results seem reasonable dude. I got 124.7Bhp (100Bhp @ the wheels) with breathing mods on my VTS. Stuff like 142Bhp from a backbox and airfilter etc is horse shit and people that actually believe those figures are retards.

    spot on comment there!!!
    
    dyno where never made for power runs!! but for tuning reason, so see if mod on the engine are working,
    
    but yer the rueling looks abit out, seem very up and down which it shouldnt be on full throttle, should be a very flat line across the rev range, maybe it due to not having a feul return.
    
    andy
26. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

    #26 14th December 2009, 23:52

    FPR is a very good point, I believe VTS is at 3 bar, not 3.5 correct me if I'm wrong of course!
    
    Also, given it a service recently?
27. user_10176 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jun 2006 Ramsey st marys, peterborough Posts: 8288 Saxo's, Corsa (Daily)

    #27 15th December 2009, 03:24

    yes they are 3 bar FPR, unless it mapped with a bigger FPR it will run wrong.
    
    andy
28. aruffell Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2007 Chatham, Kent Posts: 537 1998 Peugeot 106 GTI 1.6

    #28 15th December 2009, 03:54

    Let me get this straight, you're running a standard VTR FPR on a VTS lump?
    
    Maybe i'm wrong, but could that not be the problem with the fuelling? lol
    
    Andy
29. ukgaz Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2008 Maidenhead Posts: 683 Saxo VtR '52

    #29 15th December 2009, 11:28

    In thoery I would of thought so as the pressure is increased equaling to more fuel use