Performance on my 1.0 saxo.

5th January 2010, 12:37

Trying to make the performance of my 1 litre saxo better than a 1.1 to 1.4.

Any suggestions on what i could use? Im at stage one of the process.

5th January 2010, 12:46

buy a new car which is faster and save ya money lot of cars out there are faster

5th January 2010, 12:46

enclosed induction, 4-2-1 manifold, decat pipe, cam, re-map,

and ive gone blank with the rest lol
its harder to do than you think ive spent loads on my 1.4 and only just up there with a vtr

5th January 2010, 12:47

Get a vts

5th January 2010, 12:47

Are you talking about engine performance? If so wrong section. But anyway there is no need to chase the performance. Will not get anywhere.

If you are talking about chassis then your not chasing anything. A 1.1 is the same.

5th January 2010, 12:48

best way to go quicker in a small cc car is save weight imo
the 1.0 motor isnt really suited to tuning massively so after breathing mods your limited in what you can do

5th January 2010, 13:26

Why do you want it to be like a 1.4? Take it you have a mate with one them

> Engine service
> Saxsport decat exhuast system
> Heatwrapped Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold
> Raceland induction kit
> Ported and polished throttle body
> Quickshift
> Strip out as much weight as possible

But a 1.4 Saxo is 75bhp your's is 50bhp. With the above mods you might gain so 15bhp if your very lucky, then with stripping it out your power to weight will be better and the quickshift will give you qicker gear changes.

Even still i don't think you will stand much chance, and all the modifications listed would cost in the region of £700+, so in the end it's not really worth it, just weight and get a bigger engined car.

5th January 2010, 13:31

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Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

Why do you want it to be like a 1.4? Take it you have a mate with one them

> Engine service
> Saxsport decat exhuast system
> Heatwrapped Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold
> Raceland induction kit
> Ported and polished throttle body
> Quickshift
> Strip out as much weight as possible

But a 1.4 Saxo is 75bhp your's is 50bhp. With the above mods you might gain so 15bhp if your very lucky, then with stripping it out your power to weight will be better and the quickshift will give you qicker gear changes.

Even still i don't think you will stand much chance, and all the modifications listed would cost in the region of £700+, so in the end it's not really worth it, just weight and get a bigger engined car.

May as well go and grab a 1.4 after the time, hastle and cash

5th January 2010, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

Why do you want it to be like a 1.4? Take it you have a mate with one them

thats the normal reason lol

> Engine service----best thing on the list
> Saxsport decat exhuast system-----ant decent sytem tbh saxsport is just the current fave new thing like supersprint last year
> Heatwrapped Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold----minimal gain in wrapping it tbh
> Raceland induction kit------with a green filter yes otherwine just a good quality filter and cold air feen
> Ported and polished throttle body-----on a 1.0 spi thats very sifficult
> Quickshift-----pointless tbh
> Strip out as much weight as possible--------yes

5th January 2010, 13:49

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Originally Posted by AlexB

thats the normal reason lol

> Engine service----best thing on the list
> Saxsport decat exhuast system-----ant decent sytem tbh saxsport is just the current fave new thing like supersprint last year
> Heatwrapped Supersprint 4-2-1 manifold----minimal gain in wrapping it tbh
> Raceland induction kit------with a green filter yes otherwine just a good quality filter and cold air feen
> Ported and polished throttle body-----on a 1.0 spi thats very sifficult
> Quickshift-----pointless tbh
> Strip out as much weight as possible--------yes

The whole idea of tuning a 1.0 engine is lol

5th January 2010, 14:06

haha pretty much

i remember my 1.1 it had an open filter and exhaust for noise
and then stripped to fuck vtr brakes up front and a spax kit
that worked quite well for going quick

5th January 2010, 14:10

Our race exhaust system has seen good gains on the VTR's (13-15bhp with a manifold) so you may be lucky and gain a similar amount. An induction kit may also gain 1 or 2 bhp.
The engine will be a little lighter but its probably insignificant.
There are no cams available as people tune the bigger cc engines.
Good thing is that both of the above can be swapped over to the 1.4 you will inevitably buy ..

Kev

5th January 2010, 14:22

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Originally Posted by KamRacing

There are no cams available as people tune the bigger cc engines.
Kev

There are definitely cams for the 1.0 engine as I almost bought some for my old car but then found out that you couldn't do any engine modifications to enter the F1000 class. Can't remember where though but they were for the 1.0 engine for sure. I binned off the rally idea though as it just wasn't worth it lol, and everyone buys micra's as there the fastest standard 1.0 going

In answer to the question though, don't bother and save for a better car. I spent money trying to tune a 1.0, bought a VTR and the difference was massive. You'll never get a 1.0 as fast as a VTR or probably even a 1.4 without spending a thousand or so... so its not worth it at all, plus your insurance will raise significantly!

5th January 2010, 14:41

Turbo/supercharge it!
or
fit a bike engine!!

5th January 2010, 15:03

is this a piss take or what?

5th January 2010, 15:26

Save your cash build up your NCB & get a vtr/s.

Steve.

5th January 2010, 15:55

sell it and get a vtr or vts

5th January 2010, 16:02

put in a vts engine?

5th January 2010, 16:23

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Originally Posted by gouldy87

is this a piss take or what?

That was my initial thought ha ha

5th January 2010, 16:26

may change over engine...

5th January 2010, 16:39

dont do anything tbh any penny spent on a 1.1 is a waste of money lol spend more money on the insurance and get a vtr probs work out cheaper still i got a vtr at 17 for my first car not that expensive.

5th January 2010, 16:43

its a 1litre at the end of the day, never going to make it rapid. do as most have said and save your money up. ull only loose money attemping to gain bhp

5th January 2010, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMC

Trying to make the performance of my 1 litre saxo better than a 1.1 to 1.4.

Any suggestions on what i could use? Im at stage one of the process.

dont even bother mate your wasting your money!

its a 1.0 litre for a reason (ECONOMY) so the engine wont be built for performance.

basicly you would be a total TOOL and a complete idiot to go and spend money on induction kit,manifold,exhaust,lowering kit on a 1.0 litre as your result would be less then 10bhp lol.

here comes the science part.
1.0 are 4 pots 8valve which run on LOW compression. where as a skyline is a straight 6, 24 valve and is on high compression.

bigger the engine more valves and pistons there is the more performance you get.

save your money get some NCB under your belt then go buy something 2.0 litre or above.

id not even waste my time doing an engine conversion in a 1.0. by the time you have spent the money to put say a vts engine into a 1.0 flatarch you would have basicly been able ot go out and buy a BMW 325 (2.5 litre straight 6) for the same amount.

5th January 2010, 17:01

Get a VTR engine for about £100 and fit that.

5th January 2010, 17:02

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Originally Posted by djmartin

dont even bother mate your wasting your money!

its a 1.0 litre for a reason (ECONOMY) so the engine wont be built for performance.

basicly you would be a total TOOL and a complete idiot to go and spend money on induction kit,manifold,exhaust,lowering kit on a 1.0 litre as your result would be less then 10bhp lol.

here comes the science part.
1.0 are 4 pots 8valve which run on LOW compression. where as a skyline is a straight 6, 24 valve and is on high compression.

bigger the engine more valves and pistons there is the more performance you get.

save your money get some NCB under your belt then go buy something 2.0 litre or above.

id not even waste my time doing an engine conversion in a 1.0. by the time you have spent the money to put say a vts engine into a 1.0 flatarch you would have basicly been able ot go out and buy a BMW 325 (2.5 litre straight 6) for the same amount.

Well said...hopefully that will discourage you from thinking of wasting alot of money..

5th January 2010, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

dont even bother mate your wasting your money!

its a 1.0 litre for a reason (ECONOMY) so the engine wont be built for performance.

basicly you would be a total TOOL and a complete idiot to go and spend money on induction kit,manifold,exhaust,lowering kit on a 1.0 litre as your result would be less then 10bhp lol.

here comes the science part.
1.0 are 4 pots 8valve which run on LOW compression. where as a skyline is a straight 6, 24 valve and is on high compression.

bigger the engine more valves and pistons there is the more performance you get.

save your money get some NCB under your belt then go buy something 2.0 litre or above.

id not even waste my time doing an engine conversion in a 1.0. by the time you have spent the money to put say a vts engine into a 1.0 flatarch you would have basicly been able ot go out and buy a BMW 325 (2.5 litre straight 6) for the same amount.

however not all can afford to run a skyline or 3 series mate
i would agree to wait
but i dont see the point in mentioning the cars you have
just say build ncb and get a better car

5th January 2010, 17:19

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Originally Posted by AlexB

however not all can afford to run a skyline or 3 series mate
i would agree to wait
but i dont see the point in mentioning the cars you have
just say build ncb and get a better car

Exactly what i thought al!

5th January 2010, 17:45

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Originally Posted by VTSTomE

Exactly what i thought al!

tbh I could pick any car out of the world thats bigger then a 1.0litre
be it a chevy,toyota,seat,alfa rameo,ferrari etc etc

it would not make a blind bit of difference tbh.

end of the day I have the cars I have for a reason. worked my arse off and I used my head (i.e I looked 3 years ahead from now)..so I have the experince to inform others who may not

so I have all the right to mention any car I please with or without yours or anyone elses concent!

yes not all can afford to run certain cars but why would he bother spending money on a 1.0 when he could use the money he does have and maybe go out and buy a VTS,GTI etc etc.

some people need to be educated in the reasons of WHY they should not modify a small poxy engined car.

just saying build up your NCB may have some effect but more then likley its the kids first car so he will want to do some modifications to it the idea is to TRY and educate them in such a way they understand there car is not powerful. so it may make them wonder why am I wasting my money on gainin approx 15bhp max!

my first car was a VTR I spent about 7k on it and tbh I wish I never did now! that 7k I wasted could have easily been put into the skyline!

now do you see where im coming from. im making sure people dont make the same mistake I did

.

5th January 2010, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

tbh I could pick any car out of the world thats bigger then a 1.0litre
be it a chevy,toyota,seat,alfa rameo,ferrari etc etc

it would not make a blind bit of difference tbh.

end of the day I have the cars I have for a reason. worked my arse off and I used my head (i.e I looked 3 years ahead from now)..so I have the experince to inform others who may not

so I have all the right to mention any car I please with or without yours or anyone elses concent!

yes not all can afford to run certain cars but why would he bother spending money on a 1.0 when he could use the money he does have and maybe go out and buy a VTS,GTI etc etc.

some people need to be educated in the reasons of WHY they should not modify a small poxy engined car.

just saying build up your NCB may have some effect but more then likley its the kids first car so he will want to do some modifications to it the idea is to TRY and educate them in such a way they understand there car is not powerful. so it may make them wonder why am I wasting my money on gainin approx 15bhp max!

my first car was a VTR I spent about 7k on it and tbh I wish I never did now! that 7k I wasted could have easily been put into the skyline!

now do you see where im coming from. im making sure people dont make the same mistake I did

.

1100cc race/rally series'?
1200cc race/rally series'?
1300cc race/rally series'?

Go and tell Sophiabush that his turbocharged 1.0 or 1.1 is poxy

5th January 2010, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

1100cc race/rally series'?
1200cc race/rally series'?
1300cc race/rally series'?

Go and tell Sophiabush that her turbocharged 1.0 or 1.1 is poxy

yeh and I wonder how much has been spent on it

.
I wonder how many times its had to have been repaired

and I wonder how much its worth now in resale

5th January 2010, 18:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

Go and tell Sophiabush that her turbocharged 1.0 or 1.1 is poxy

His

5th January 2010, 18:17

not allways why people do things man
some people just like to shake things up a bit

its like people who tune a vts allways are liek chasing 172s or ctrs or whatever its still a 1600 vs a 2.0 ect

a turbo 1.1 will outrun bigger stuff but is stiill a 1.1 its the smile factor man

tell dean he shouldnt have spent cash on his 550bhp 106 gti turbo man if you think its all about capacity

5th January 2010, 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

not allways why people do things man
some people just like to shake things up a bit

its like people who tune a vts allways are liek chasing 172s or ctrs or whatever its still a 1600 vs a 2.0 ect

a turbo 1.1 will outrun bigger stuff but is stiill a 1.1 its the smile factor man

tell dean he shouldnt have spent cash on his 550bhp 106 gti turbo man if you think its all about capacity

there is a thing called passion!

but sometimes the heart over rules the head! and visa versa!

like I was saying, im educating. not slandering anyone off or anthing of the sort!

why dont we all just tell this lad to waste his money then and go do stupid pointless mods that wont really make any difference?

you want big BHP you need to spend big bucks FACT! and its been proven by members on here with Boosted or charged VTR/S's power does not come cheap.

5th January 2010, 18:25

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Originally Posted by Andy_K

His

I thought i would never be caught out by that, but i guess the cold has got to me. Edited anyway for all that it's worth lol

5th January 2010, 18:26

im not saying power does come cheap man
but your post seemed to say it was all abotu the capacity sayin 2.5 skyline an the bimmer ect
where he smaller cc can be made to produce decent power

i have allready said imo its not worth spending on a 1.0

i was just trying to make the point that no matter what cc the car it can be made a lot quicker with the right funding

i know its not cheap as i built a 150bhp vts lump
and im currently looking into a much bigger power vts lump as thats gone pop
but cubic capacity isnt the be all and end all
yes it helps
but a lot can be done with a small cc

EDIT: anyway im off for a bit so if you wish we can continue this at a later date lol!

5th January 2010, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

im not saying power does come cheap man
but your post seemed to say it was all abotu the capacity sayin 2.5 skyline an the bimmer ect
where he smaller cc can be made to produce decent power

i have allready said imo its not worth spending on a 1.0

i was just trying to make the point that no matter what cc the car it can be made a lot quicker with the right funding

i know its not cheap as i built a 150bhp vts lump
and im currently looking into a much bigger power vts lump as thats gone pop
but cubic capacity isnt the be all and end all
yes it helps
but a lot can be done with a small cc

and what happens with small CC engines??????

the compression rate gets to high and they go POP! or they just wont last as long as a bigger CC engine even though there BHP might match!

so overall you would then have to spend more money to get it repaired!

id rather have funcionality and longativity! i.e an engine that has been built with the purpose of pushing its BHP more. then trying to make an engine thats built for economy do something it was not originally designed to do in the first place!

why do you think the RX-8 engines have faults for lols. there small wankle engines but becuase there pushing out so much high pressure/bhp the engines just fail.

if people want to play the game right they should get a Hyabusa engine put in a saxo and have it turbo'd you can easily get 500+BHP out of them all day long and they love it!

light engine, light car, alot of power = win! but it would be a bitch to handle in FWD or RWD due to the short wheel base on the saxo.

5th January 2010, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

and what happens with small CC engines??????

the compression rate gets to high and they go POP! or they just wont last as long as a bigger CC engine even though there BHP might match!

so overall you would then have to spend more money to get it repaired!

id rather have funcionality and longativity! i.e an engine that has been built with the purpose of pushing its BHP more. then trying to make an engine thats built for economy do something it was not originally designed to do in the first place!

why do you think the RX-8 engines have faults for lols. there small wankle engines but becuase there pushing out so much high pressure/bhp the engines just fail.

if people want to play the game right they should get a Hyabusa engine put in a saxo and have it turbo'd you can easily get 500+BHP out of them all day long and they love it!

light engine, light car, alot of power = win! but it would be a bitch to handle in FWD or RWD due to the short wheel base on the saxo.

With forged internals and other correct parts, some 200bhp+ Saxo's and other lower CC cars can actually be more reliable than standard.

5th January 2010, 18:52

you can make a 1.0 fast

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=278091

5th January 2010, 19:09

to be ohnest im on a vtr now and hoping to have a vts by the end of the year im not after big power through mods but a vts engine perhaps cammed or something would be fast enough for me untill im older and i really can afford it i wil buy a skyline or something but im 19 and simply cant afford it and hell how do i know if i wil want to modify my cars when im 25 so i would modify the car and engine i have and enjoy it while i can not think 3 years ahead because you cant do that realy else you will never have fun with what you have got not what you "going to get" modify your 1.0 if you like if you plan to keep it for a while why not to fair yeah its a complete waste of money but so is modifying most cars a waste of money. as said when you want big big power go for a scooby or skyline or something untill then make the most of what you have got and get plenty of experience in modifying. rant over lol

5th January 2010, 19:28

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Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

With forged internals and other correct parts, some 200bhp+ Saxo's and other lower CC cars can actually be more reliable than standard.

yeh and how much would all that cost? when you can go out and originally buy a car which wold have the desired BHP you wish from start!

try and put it into this sort of perspective as this is how it would look.

would you rather spend money on a 1.1 saxo and get it to 200bhp.
or get something like a supra spend the same amount of money on that but end up with 650+ bhp?

on a resale term the money would be more well spent in the supra as the car is designed for been fast and the engine would be able to take more of a punishment would it not? plus due to the car it is people know it will have been driven hard but would respect that. but see that in a saxo and instantly people would say 'ah its been ragged it will be fooked!'<<< you know dam well im 100% right there as that is how it unfortunatly works out!

as always it comes down to one thing MONEY but it also comes down to good old common sence and common sence tells me get a car with big BHP from standard so you can make it even more of a monster!

if you cant afford to do that. then save up NCB, learn loads about bigger engines so when the time does come you know instantly what you want to do!

its not always just to do with the capacity of the engine its also to do with what the engine is in..in the first place!

5th January 2010, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harv

There are definitely cams for the 1.0 engine as I almost bought some for my old car but then found out that you couldn't do any engine modifications to enter the F1000 class. Can't remember where though but they were for the 1.0 engine for sure. I binned off the rally idea though as it just wasn't worth it lol, and everyone buys micra's as there the fastest standard 1.0 going

In answer to the question though, don't bother and save for a better car. I spent money trying to tune a 1.0, bought a VTR and the difference was massive. You'll never get a 1.0 as fast as a VTR or probably even a 1.4 without spending a thousand or so... so its not worth it at all, plus your insurance will raise significantly!

I had a few customers ask for a cam but I could not find a manufacturer listing them!

5th January 2010, 19:29

Heres what you should do. Buy a VTR engine and fit it, tune it and then tell your mate its a modified 1.1

5th January 2010, 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmartin

and what happens with small CC engines??????

the compression rate gets to high and they go POP! or they just wont last as long as a bigger CC engine even though there BHP might match!

so overall you would then have to spend more money to get it repaired!

id rather have funcionality and longativity! i.e an engine that has been built with the purpose of pushing its BHP more. then trying to make an engine thats built for economy do something it was not originally designed to do in the first place!

why do you think the RX-8 engines have faults for lols. there small wankle engines but becuase there pushing out so much high pressure/bhp the engines just fail.

if people want to play the game right they should get a Hyabusa engine put in a saxo and have it turbo'd you can easily get 500+BHP out of them all day long and they love it!

light engine, light car, alot of power = win! but it would be a bitch to handle in FWD or RWD due to the short wheel base on the saxo.

the busa lump is a pure example of you contradiciting yourself
get the right parts in there and they will last forever man
yes its expansive but if people want to then they will
much like in my position now most would cut there losses and buy like a 6k scooby skyline whatever
im planning a 6 grand engine and tbh itll probably not be far off the pace and should be reliable the way im looking at it

its not a 1100 in mine
but its still a relatively small cc tbh

even big cc engines if highly strung go pop due to the stresses on them

5th January 2010, 20:34

i've bolwn just as many big engines up as small ones lol, left bits of R33 skyline engine all over the m1, rover v8's on countless welsh hillsides as well as all the baby engines. they all go bang if they want to.
i like the bike engine route myself, light as a feather, rev like a food blender and power that makes plenty of so-called fast cars blush. anyway,just off to stihl saw the front of dads's db9 off and fit something bigger.

5th January 2010, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexB

the busa lump is a pure example of you contradiciting yourself
get the right parts in there and they will last forever man
yes its expansive but if people want to then they will
much like in my position now most would cut there losses and buy like a 6k scooby skyline whatever
im planning a 6 grand engine and tbh itll probably not be far off the pace and should be reliable the way im looking at it

its not a 1100 in mine
but its still a relatively small cc tbh

even big cc engines if highly strung go pop due to the stresses on them

dint really contradict myself tbh. I put that as a pure example of a small engine that SHOULD be used for tuning purposes that engine was not built for economy it was built for tuners in mind

.

engines go pop because of 3 reasons.

1. not been built in the correct order (putting a massive turbo on before changing the pistons,rods,cams etc)

2. bad tuning & irregular servicing

3. sh**e driver

5th January 2010, 20:40

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Originally Posted by mandyslover70

i've bolwn just as many big engines up as small ones lol, left bits of R33 skyline engine all over the m1, rover v8's on countless welsh hillsides as well as all the baby engines. they all go bang if they want to.

thats down to the driver to know something is up

.
so basicly you've kind of just admitted you rag the tits of cars and cant drive them properly lol.

well done!

5th January 2010, 20:52

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Originally Posted by djmartin

dint really contradict myself tbh. I put that as a pure example of a small engine that SHOULD be used for tuning purposes that engine was not built for economy it was built for tuners in mind .

engines go pop because of 3 reasons.

1. not been built in the correct order (putting a massive turbo on before changing the pistons,rods,cams etc)

2. bad tuning & irregular servicing

3. sh**e driver

Any engine can be used for tuning? People tune 50cc engines and even less?

So your saying only 2.0 litre engines and above are meant for tuning?

5th January 2010, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

Any engine can be used for tuning? People tune 50cc engines and even less?

So your saying only 2.0 litre engines and above are meant for tuning?

ok first thing is first it depends what the main block is made out of. if its a Lead block you may find they will crack and melt!

hyabusa engines are alot smaller then a 2.0 lol. and I mean ALOT and are made of aluminium!

Zcars have an Ultima in running two hyabusa engines which are turbocharged its running at 1,000bhp.

as I said everything I have put is example stuff and alot is realistic.

costs
reselling value
servicing
other modifications (guages,oil cooler,oil pump,water pump,intercooler) list is pritty endless!

its impossible to even think of buying cheap parts as they will fail.

the best engines to tune is a straight 6 and its been proven so many times.
V6/V8's are lumpy engines full of torque but lower BHP hence there term of been known to be in American Muscle cars.

Straight 6's try to optimize both worlds of torque and bhp.

why do you think. evo/skylines/scoobies/civics/crx/s2000/M3 even alot of ferrari's all have straight 6's in? because they are easy to tune and are economical and have good performance at the sametime. yes MPG is an issue (only when you decide to boot it though). but other then that they have so much potenial hence why you can get 1,600 bhp out of them with the correct tuning and modifications.

6th January 2010, 08:56

No one else think he created the thread taking the piss