Important! : Want to swap my Vtr Black-top engine with a Vts engine.

1. VTRShetland Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Voe, Shetland Posts: 29 53 Plate Cammed Vts

   #1 5th January 2010, 19:39

   I want to swap my 1998 Black-top vtr engine with a vts(don't know what age the Vts is) engine. is it just a straight forward old-out new-in? Or does it take a bit more than that? i know most people -from what i've read- say that i should just get a Vts and save myself the bother but i like the look of my Vtr and Vtr sounds better than Vts.
   
   Can anybody help or point me in the direction of someone who has done this before?
   
   Cheers,
   
   Shaun (VTRShetland)
2. user_35162 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 ramsey Posts: 485 citroen saxo vtr/s

   #2 5th January 2010, 19:55

   im doin tht to my vtr its a straight swap if you get the engine from the same year! so basacly get a single plug ecu and loom with it and its just like old 1 out and new 1 in! then just unlock the ecu and ur done ! at least i didnt get many problems except the unlocking ecu coz i didnt wna do it lol coz it basacly means runin a car with out imobaliser but it was just not worth the hassle just unlock it and get an after market one!
3. yeahbuddy Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 greendale Posts: 1476

   #3 5th January 2010, 20:05

   you can just swap the heads over and new timin belt and stuff
4. yeahbuddy Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 greendale Posts: 1476

   #4 5th January 2010, 20:05

   same bottom end
5. yeahbuddy Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 greendale Posts: 1476

   #5 5th January 2010, 20:05

   well thats wat ive been told
6. yeahbuddy Established Member Joined: Dec 2009 greendale Posts: 1476

   #6 5th January 2010, 20:06

   makes sense
7. VTRShetland Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Voe, Shetland Posts: 29 53 Plate Cammed Vts

   #7 5th January 2010, 20:07

   Thats good news!!! I've been looking for days on the threads for days but there isn't a straight answer haha. I know abouts engines but i don't know about electrics . What would happen if int was a newer engine? Am getting the whole Vts car(the back axle is f**ked and the guy is selling it cheap).
   
   I have so many questions lol
   
   Doing the swap would mean i could swap the dials? I f**king hate my dials! there analoge, which is last century technologie lol.
   
   Would the ABS be able to go on my Vtr?
   
   Sorry for the 20 questions
   
   Appreciate the help
8. Jenson Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2009 Leicester Posts: 623

   #8 5th January 2010, 20:07

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by VTRShetland I want to swap my 1998 Black-top vtr engine with a vts(don't know what age the Vts is) engine. is it just a straight forward old-out new-in? Or does it take a bit more than that? i know most people -from what i've read- say that i should just get a Vts and save myself the bother but i like the look of my Vtr and Vtr sounds better than Vts. Can anybody help or point me in the direction of someone who has done this before? Cheers, Shaun (VTRShetland)

   If it sounds better, why not just strip your vtr of all the mods
9. user_15989 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: May 2007 Posts: 4857

   #9 5th January 2010, 20:18

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by yeahbuddy you can just swap the heads over and new timin belt and stuff

   Its not that simple as the 16V has specific cut outs on the pistons to clear the valves. So you cant just swap a head over. The 1.4 8V blocks are not ready to accept the 16V tensioner I don't recall if the 1.6 8V does or does not though. It can be done its just not as simple as it sounds
10. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #10 6th January 2010, 01:20

    Blacktop to vts is the easiest conversion.
    
    Get yourself a 97,98,99 vts engine with single plug ecu and loom. Then swap everything like for like in the engine bay. Its a plus that you already have both fuel lines
    
    You will want a bigger rad and fan setup. Also exhaust manifold.
11. user_35162 Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2009 ramsey Posts: 485 citroen saxo vtr/s

    #11 6th January 2010, 16:32

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTRShetland Thats good news!!! I've been looking for days on the threads for days but there isn't a straight answer haha. I know abouts engines but i don't know about electrics . What would happen if int was a newer engine? Am getting the whole Vts car(the back axle is f**ked and the guy is selling it cheap). I have so many questions lol Doing the swap would mean i could swap the dials? I f**king hate my dials! there analoge, which is last century technologie lol. Would the ABS be able to go on my Vtr? Sorry for the 20 questions Appreciate the help

    if its a newer engine youd need the 3 plug ecu and i think the plug for the interior loom is different aswell!
    
    yea you can swap the dial but i dont no if the digital ones would work because its diff interior loom youd have to ask some one that knows it a bit better!
    
    u can put abs but youd need to change breaks driveshafts and the master cylinder i think thats it!
    
    its ok mate its a saxo forum people that can be bothered dont mind helping.
12. VTRShetland Newbie Joined: Oct 2009 Voe, Shetland Posts: 29 53 Plate Cammed Vts

    #12 6th January 2010, 23:17

    Cheers guys for the help! its much appreciated.
    
    Now i just have to hope its a '97,'98 or '99 car!
    
    For getting a bigger fan and better cooling system i was just going to use the set up from the Vts and the same with putting on the ABS
13. sax-dan Frequent Poster Joined: Dec 2009 wigan Posts: 772 vauxhall corsa gsi ford fiesta rs 1800 citroen s

    #13 6th January 2010, 23:24

    yeah buddy you dont make sense half of the time, you could have put all that into one post mann
14. user_32315 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Mar 2009 Uppingham, Rutland Posts: 9569 mk1 JP4'd VTR, '16 Fabia Monte Carlo

    #14 7th January 2010, 01:19

    he always writes loads of little posts