piper 4-1 how low to ground?

1. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

   #1 6th January 2010, 08:36

   does the piper 4-1 sit low to the ground? as im just sourcing the last parts for my car, im going down 60mm and want a manifold that sits perfectly like the standard system or a bit higher
   
   Does anyone know if the piper is closer to the ground to cause "clearance" issues? or will it be ok (i.e its the same as if having the standard system on it.
   
   p.s talking about Mk2 VTR (t4 managment)
   
   
   Thanks
2. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #2 6th January 2010, 09:02

   It's not the same clearance as having the standard manifold on as the standard manifold is a 4-2-1 design. So your going to have more clearance when you have only 2 pipes vs. 4
   
   I've been fine with mine, the lower strut brace is the lowest point so will take any hits - saying that, I'm not 60mm down.
3. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

   #3 6th January 2010, 09:18

   They sit a bit lower but if you get a lower brace on aswell should take a brunt of the scrapeage before the manifold gets anything
4. shinner_vtr Regular Poster Joined: Feb 2009 derbyshire Posts: 327 206 hdi d turbo

   #4 6th January 2010, 10:31

   it will sit alot lower than the standard one, mines only lowered 35mm and ive had trouble a couple of times with big speed bumps, id have thought 60mm would be a bit to low for that manifold mate but its up to you really if you want to try it.
5. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

   #5 6th January 2010, 10:41

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by raunchz It's not the same clearance as having the standard manifold on as the standard manifold is a 4-2-1 design. So your going to have more clearance when you have only 2 pipes vs. 4 I've been fine with mine, the lower strut brace is the lowest point so will take any hits - saying that, I'm not 60mm down.

   But because you have a lower strut, in some way, that would act as if you were down 60 - but it was the manifold scraping (as if you had no lower strut in this case)?
   
   Could look into a 4-2-1 piper (if they do them)
   
   Cheers guys
6. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

   #6 6th January 2010, 10:45

   My vts is lowered 60mm (its a car for looks not handling lol) with the piper 4:1 manifold and its very close to the tarmac.....have to be careful on country lanes buddy.
7. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

   #7 6th January 2010, 13:18

   Cheers for that
   
   I do go on country roads allot but they are quite well kept up here (sometimes)
   
   I'm actually not bothered about how low the 4-1 would be, but would I get the same exhaust note using the piper 4-2-1 as the 4-1?(ofc using a piper system) Mines for looks too lol
8. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

   #8 6th January 2010, 13:19

   tbh people on here must fly over speed bumps if they catch the mani when lowered 35mm. I'm down 60mm and when I had the vtr engine in I only ever hit one speed bump with a gmc 4-1 and that was coz I didn't see it so hit it at like 20mph.
9. J222JRA Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2007 Posts: 16839 Saxo VTS, Westfield

   #9 6th January 2010, 13:21

   I went to a BP petrol station a few weeks back and my manifold touched a plastic speedbump....not good
10. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #10 6th January 2010, 13:23

    Lol I tend to drive sensable nowadays, only time I go fast is in big tunnels lol - I know playing in tunnels if childish, but so much fun :o roads I go speed limit and with bumps- just whatever, but when my last car was slammed - had to go between speed bumps, lowered 80mm front 100mm rear ment it was fun getting out my steep driveway... Lol
11. Aron Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Feb 2007 Nuneaton Posts: 3554 EP3 Civic

    #11 6th January 2010, 14:40

    if your carefull it will be fine. Supersprint sits allot high, as does the raceland. Noise will not really have much change between.
12. TU-Tuning Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: May 2006 Bristol Posts: 16575 JP4urio, 306 DTurbo SportShed

    #12 6th January 2010, 14:43

    Dont bother heatwrapping a 4-1 to the bottom they catch on everything, I run a BTB one and it sits very low. It does give a different note to the 4-2-1s though, which is one of the main reasons its still on my current engine. Sounds very throaty.
13. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #13 6th January 2010, 14:48

    
    
    
    
    lowered 50mm on eibachs
    hangs about as low as the omp lower brace
    i clipped mine a few times and tore the heatwrap but thats only on like bumps
14. Cammy Established Member Joined: Jul 2009 Aberdeen Posts: 2211

    #14 6th January 2010, 15:21

    Cheers for that alex
    
    I'll just go for the 4-1 then
15. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #15 6th January 2010, 15:44

    Good choice - piper stainless ftw
16. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

    #16 6th January 2010, 15:59

    quick question about the piper mani I got mines yesterday and the plate bit that joins up to the engine(don't know it's name) has oval holes but obv the pipes are round so it looks like it would be blocking the exhaust gases from exiting the engine is it ment to be like that??
17. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #17 6th January 2010, 16:02

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by stupotvtr quick question about the piper mani I got mines yesterday and the plate bit that joins up to the engine(don't know it's name) has oval holes but obv the pipes are round so it looks like it would be blocking the exhaust gases from exiting the engine is it ment to be like that??

    the holes in the head are oval too fella

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18. Steve Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Mar 2005 Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 19910 CW Honda Integra DC5

    #18 6th January 2010, 16:06

    mine i had on the VTR sat low, people in front always used to comment if we stopped.
    Never caught it once.
    
    Stick a lower strut brace on to protect it
19. stupotvtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jul 2007 EDINBURGH Posts: 3143 BMW e36 328i sport

    #19 6th January 2010, 16:16

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexB the holes in the head are oval too fella

    kind of thought they might be but havent got round to fitting it yet so didn't know