Supercharged TU Where to map?

1. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

   #1 10th January 2010, 17:40

   Who would you guys go to if having a high spec boosted tu mapped? There's atspeed and gmc on the shortlist atm. But gmc is an absolute mission for me!
2. ryanmt Established Member Joined: Oct 2004 Warrington Posts: 1987 AX VTS 57 3.0 TDI A5

   #2 10th January 2010, 17:48

   Depends on the ecu really.
3. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #3 10th January 2010, 17:49

   atspeed done my mates turbo 106 with great results and i have used northampton motorsport with no issues
4. Andy_K Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2004 in the garage trying to fix the car Posts: 5882 Mondeo st tdci & Supercharged vts

   #4 10th January 2010, 17:51

   AT Speed have mapped supercharged 106 gtis before, apparently with good results.
   Northampton seem highly recommended on here also
5. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

   #5 10th January 2010, 17:56

   What about geting andy to come an map the car???
6. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

   #6 10th January 2010, 18:01

   That was another question, I want to look into the possibility of having interchangeable maps for different boost levels. I know emerald do a unit with these capabilities any others people know of?
7. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

   #7 10th January 2010, 18:01

   id use atspeed
8. Ryanp Super Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Tonbridge United Kingdom (England) Posts: 38236 Vtr, 172, throttle bodied track slut

   #8 10th January 2010, 18:13

   AT speed mapped up deans turbo ok, have done a few cars.
   
   Gmc aswell if i had to travel ooop north.
9. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #9 10th January 2010, 18:15

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Ryan AT speed mapped up deans turbo ok

   That who i was on about, didnt do a bad job really
10. 3cott Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2008 Rotherham Posts: 4614 Black mk2 vts

    #10 10th January 2010, 18:17

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VTSTomE That was another question, I want to look into the possibility of having interchangeable maps for different boost levels. I know emerald do a unit with these capabilities any others people know of?

    DTA
    
    http://www.dtafast.co.uk/products.htm
    
    If you buy a dta i know a guy what could map it for you
    
    But it mean's a trip to rotherham...

    1 user thanked this post: VTSTomE
11. dannygti Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Feb 2006 dudley United Kingdom (England) Posts: 6790 106 gti/ SEAT LCR

    #11 10th January 2010, 18:20

    no massive advantage of having switchable maps on a SC car.. the only benefit would be a fuel economy map and a power map. due to sc boost being related to engine revs the only way to limit boost is not rev it as much.
    
    switchable maps would be great for turbo car.
12. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

    #12 10th January 2010, 18:23

    Cheers 3cott
13. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

    #13 10th January 2010, 18:26

    Thats what i would be after danny, suppose its not really going to make that much difference. Drive with a steady right foot to save fuel.
14. Sandy309 Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Cornwall Posts: 349 106 XSi

    #14 11th January 2010, 06:39

    A good map will be both economical at part throttle and make the best power unless VVT and/or boost control are being used heavily.
15. atspeedracing Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 ESSEX Posts: 727 106 GTi Turbo

    #15 27th January 2010, 21:46

    you dont need switchable maps, as sandy has said, if its mapped properly then you will have economy at light throttle and full power at full throttle.
    
    the problems not capabilities of the ecu, its capabilities of the mapper.
    i see far too many poor mapping jobs done on peoples cars.. and the customers pay good money for it.
    
    
    all this "switchable" mapping stuff seems to recently have come about, and people seem to think they need it for different boost levels, or fuel economy.... let me set this straight... you only need ONE map. (one map done properly that is)
    
    
    on our turbo cars we use an electronic boost controller with 6 boost memories. the ECU has one map which is mapped for ALL boost pressures to give maximum power, yet retain good fuel economy under normal driving without making NO sacrificice to maximum performance or reliability.
    
    people should look into how the mapping software works before jumping to conclusions... simplified.. (at least for turbo) its RPM on one axis vs Manifold Pressure on another axis.
    
    part of the map is vacuum, part is pressure, from 0 to 2 bar, 3 bar, 4 bar whatever you set it to.. and across the other axis is rpm sites, say 500-8000rpm.
    
    you are always in the correct load site for current rpm and boost pressure, and mapped correctly, you will have the correct ammount of fuel and ignition in that cell... that being said.. if your map is correct.. why would you need more than one map?
    
    
    see my website for a basic introduction into mapping..
    
    http://www.atspeedracing.co.uk/mapping.html
    
    
    i highly recommend omex.
    
    yes we mapped deans 106 turbo, also shauns and titchs which showed also very good results, also my own 106 turbo. we have also done a lot of supercharged and NA 106/saxo in various states of tune, and different management systems.
    
    we tune any car, not just 106/saxo... NA or turbo/supercharged, and anything from classic cars on carburettors to turbocharged endurance racing cars.
    
    - colin.
16. atspeedracing Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 ESSEX Posts: 727 106 GTi Turbo

    #16 27th January 2010, 21:50

    also regarding fuel economy...
    
    dean says he used less fuel driving to us in his 106 turbo than he did in his quiksilver!
    
    and repeated again by shaun and other customers who cannot believe the fuel savings after we had remapped their cars.
    
    this shows far too many "professional" tuners spend far too long concentrating on the full throttle openings, and not enough time spent on the cruise/light throttle sites.
17. blackie_2k5 Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Oct 2008 Birtley Posts: 22253 VTR Turbo, 106 xsi track slag, Transit recovery, B

    #17 27th January 2010, 22:15

    where are you based colin? and what sort of price are you charging to do a full map?(vtr turbo) im buying the pred but having to pay for andy to come up and map, may be easier if your close to get it mapped by yourslef or someone else? can pm me the answer if wished, andy
18. atspeedracing Frequent Poster Joined: Aug 2008 ESSEX Posts: 727 106 GTi Turbo

    #18 27th January 2010, 22:29

    pm sent.
19. wildrenegade Infrequent Poster Joined: Feb 2005 fleet United Kingdom (England) Posts: 234

    #19 28th January 2010, 22:58

    how easy is the charged conversion