Wiring for Conversion.

1. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

   #1 16th January 2010, 22:16

   Hi need some info about the wiring, what i need to know is i had a conversion done on my furio to vts engine and i have matched up engine with right year etc....
   But i have all the engine loom plugged in and where it goes to the multi plug i have alot of pins on the multi plug that dont match up too anything so was wondering if anybody else has had this problem before
2. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #2 16th January 2010, 22:26

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by karl-antro Hi need some info about the wiring, what i need to know is i had a conversion done on my furio to vts engine and i have matched up engine with right year etc.... But i have all the engine loom plugged in and where it goes to the multi plug i have alot of pins on the multi plug that dont match up too anything so was wondering if anybody else has had this problem before

   Think you have the wrong loom buddy!! ive done fer few vts engine swops,but never have loom problems......
3. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

   #3 16th January 2010, 22:31

   hmmm how many looms are there for vts ?
4. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #4 16th January 2010, 22:33

   You have a 106 gti loom?
   
   Pics say a thousand words
5. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #5 16th January 2010, 22:34

   Its the plug on the looms,some are different buddy.....
6. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

   #6 16th January 2010, 22:37

   Its a 3 plug loom.
   
   Raunchz you think i have a 106 gti loom????
7. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #7 16th January 2010, 22:38

   Or do you mean that the plug fits, but some terminals don't match? Ie one is blank whereas the matching one has a wire?
8. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

   #8 16th January 2010, 22:39

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by karl-antro Its a 3 plug loom. Raunchz you think i have a 106 gti loom????

   Sorry thought it was a single plug - sounds like you've got the right loom
9. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

   #9 16th January 2010, 22:40

   Yeah its a 3plug loom with 1 multi plug, from a 2002 reg vts and my furio is 2001 dont see why it is not right.
10. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #10 16th January 2010, 22:42

    That's spot on - what's your problem?
11. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #11 16th January 2010, 22:42

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by karl-antro Yeah its a 3plug loom with 1 multi plug, from a 2002 reg vts and my furio is 2001 dont see why it is not right.

    Take it your car wont start bud??
12. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

    #12 16th January 2010, 22:46

    The car is running but i have no dials like speedo revs or temp had an auto electrician to have a look at it and he shown me that some of the pins are not going to anywhere on multiplug so isnt going threw from engine loom to interior loom so was wondering if anyone has had same problem.
13. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #13 16th January 2010, 22:49

    It's not a fuse?
    
    I've done a 3plg Vts conversion from a 3plg furi. And it was literally plug and play.
    
    The dials don't have an oil temp sensor but the engine loom caters for one, there's one of your gaps .......
14. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #14 16th January 2010, 22:49

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by karl-antro The car is running but i have no dials like speedo revs or temp had an auto electrician to have a look at it and he shown me that some of the pins are not going to anywhere on multiplug so isnt going threw from engine loom to interior loom so was wondering if anyone has had same problem.

    i normaly swop the in car loom too on 1.1" and 1.4 for this problem.....so i end up with the full vts loom on the car.....
15. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #15 16th January 2010, 22:50

    You not got any wires cut on the loom? Or plugs not plugged it (dash temp sensor)
16. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #16 16th January 2010, 22:51

    On my 1.4 westcoast conversion I didn't have to touch the car loom and it akll worked fine
17. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #17 16th January 2010, 22:54

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by raunchz On my 1.4 westcoast conversion I didn't have to touch the car loom and it akll worked fine

    Had few probs with 02 reg mk2 furios,when droping vts engines in with the looms in the past......
18. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #18 16th January 2010, 22:57

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxokid100 Had few probs with 02 reg mk2 furios,when droping vts engines in with the looms in the past......

    I've done one, S8TTG - and it was plug and play.
    
    I'm off to bed, will have a gander tomorrow morning
19. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

    #19 16th January 2010, 23:04

    No cut wires or anything had it all checked over its just the multi plug from engine loom to the interior multi plug pins dont all match up
20. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

    #20 17th January 2010, 15:47

    So you think i will have to change the interior loom aswell
21. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #21 17th January 2010, 16:01

    here's the link to the 2002 furio I/we converted with no problems at all !!
    
    http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=237761
    
    I don't understand why the dials won't work. Are there pins on the car loom that don't match up with anything on the engine loom? Or is it simply the other way round?
22. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

    #22 17th January 2010, 22:57

    There are loads more wires/pins on the engine loom multi plug where as on the multi plug coming from the interior loom that it conects to there aint as many wires/pins and alot on the engine loom are going to nothing when connected so i have no dials or anything etc..
23. raunchz Saxperience Addict Joined: Jul 2005 Solihull / Bournemouth Posts: 14233 2015 Lapiz Blue Golf R

    #23 17th January 2010, 22:59

    But do any from the car loom match upto blanks on the engine loom?
24. karl-antro Frequent Poster Joined: Sep 2008 Manchester Posts: 503 No car :/

    #24 17th January 2010, 23:07

    no not really like its the wrong way round
25. citroen_saxo_vtr Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Mar 2006 Norwich Posts: 2823 Vectra sri 2.6 v6

    #25 24th April 2010, 15:42

    Did you ever find a cure for this?
26. ryansaxo2010 Infrequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 chepstow Posts: 138 saxo furio, vts conversion with cat cams and a tur

    #26 29th May 2010, 15:23

    sorry to re open this ive dun a conversion on my 2002 furio to a 1999 vts engine ive gone from 3 plug ecu to single plug ecu and obv now the mater plug are off has any 1 dun this and can they let me know what wires go where clours etc etc im relli relli relllli stuck...... also ive got fuel pumping down and the engine turnin over but it wont fire up the ecu is unloved but it seems like it wont inject into the engine any body got any ideas on the subject? the ingectors are off a 106 gti but the plugs plugd in will this be down to my wiring or are the gtis diff on injector wiring??? please please help me
27. Ax_beefy Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2006 Cannock Posts: 973 Citroen AX VTS

    #27 29th May 2010, 18:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ryansaxo2010 sorry to re open this ive dun a conversion on my 2002 furio to a 1999 vts engine ive gone from 3 plug ecu to single plug ecu and obv now the mater plug are off has any 1 dun this and can they let me know what wires go where clours etc etc im relli relli relllli stuck...... also ive got fuel pumping down and the engine turnin over but it wont fire up the ecu is unloved but it seems like it wont inject into the engine any body got any ideas on the subject? the ingectors are off a 106 gti but the plugs plugd in will this be down to my wiring or are the gtis diff on injector wiring??? please please help me

    I've done this the other way round 3-plug into single plug but not the way your doing it lol. I have the pin outs for the 3-plg vts (don't know if this will match VTR) and the pin outs for a 106 single plug which has almost identical wires to a single plug vts just in different connectors so maybe this will help you:
    
    Single plug 106: (ignore the pin numbers as they will be different on a vts)
    
    Pin / Function / Wire Colour / Wire No
    1 Switch Live (to relay pin 14) white CC2
    2 Alternator - Battery Light Red 1070
    3 Water Temp Sensor (Light - Pin 2) Green 400
    4 Starter motor Blue 100
    5 Oil Pressure switch Yellow 410
    6 Reversing Switch - Pin 1 Grey CC07
    7 Reversing Switch - Pin 2 Orange 220
    8 Tacho / Rev Feed Green 426
    9
    10 Water Temp Sensor (Gauge - Pin 1) White / Beige 401
    11
    12 Anti theft (ECU Pin 27) Yellow 820
    13 Lambda Sensor Power Orange 123
    14 Speedo Green 465
    15 Anti theft (ECU Pin 48) beige 821
    16 Diagnostic (ECU Pin 31) Red 140
    17 Diagnostic (ECU Pin 12) Yellow 141
    18 ECU light / Diagnistic (ECU Pin 9) Beige 142
    19 Earth Green/Yellow MM00
    20
    21 Anti theft (ECU Pin 13) Red 822
    22
    23 Fuel Pump (From injector relay) White 120
    
    Grey Plug
    Pin Function Wire Colour Wire No
    2 Oil Level (Pin 1) white 414
    3 Oil Level (Pin 2) Red 416
    4 Oil Temp (Pin 1) Yellow 411
    
    And 3-plug vts (alot of my wire numbers were missing and somes things I didn't need so I never bothered to find out what they do lol)
    
    1 Switch Live Blue CM10E
    2 Reverse Switch Pin 1 Orange CH07A
    3 Starter Motor Switch Blue 100
    4 Oil Pressure Light Black N/A
    5 Electronic Speedo Dark Green N/A
    6 Unknown Yellow 830
    7 Immobiliser Red 822
    8 Rev Counter White 425
    9 Diagnostic pin 1 Cream 140
    10 Diagnostic Pin 2 Yellow 141
    11 Oil Level Pin 1 Dark Green N/A
    12 Oil Level Pin 3 Cream N/A
    13 Oil Level Pin 2 Pink N/A
    14 Unused
    15 Unused
    16 Unused
    17 Unused
    18 Unused
    19 Unused
    20 Unused
    21 Unused
    22 Unused
    23 Unused
    24 Unused
    25 Unused
    26 Unused
    27 Water Temp Pin 2 Red 400
    28 Water Temp Pin 1 White 401
    29 ECU Light Yellow 480
    30 Possible alternative rev Orange 430
    31 Unknown Dark Green N/A
    32 Unknown Pink 8076
    33 Unknown Red 8078
    34 Fuel Pump White 124
    35 Reverse Switch Pin 2 Grey 2210
    36 Alternator/Battery Light Purple N/A
    
    
    The main things like speedo and revs etc. should be the same but other than that the only way to do it will be to buzz test the sensors etc. with a multimeter.
    
    Hope this helps

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