Quesrion about xsi head on furio engine

1. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

   #1 18th January 2010, 10:48

   Does anyone know if this will fit with no modification? I believe the head should be a straight swap?
   
   Would I see much of a gain if I were to use the XSi 1.4 head and VTR inlet manifold & TB?
   
   Cheers
2. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #2 18th January 2010, 10:49

   the valves will clash with the piston's.
   
   thts what i was told when i was going to put a rallye head on a 98hp vtr lump, its because the rallye/xsi have dished pistons.
3. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

   #3 18th January 2010, 10:52

   aah, ok well I guess I would be best camming the existing head then and putting VTR TB's and inlet manifold on then a 4-2-1 exhaust manifold?
4. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #4 18th January 2010, 10:56

   i reckon so.
   
   that is a cam on ebay at the moment.
5. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

   #5 18th January 2010, 11:13

   someone else guna cam a furio?
6. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

   #6 18th January 2010, 11:34

   yep, think so unless there is a better way to gain from a furio engine?
7. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

   #7 18th January 2010, 11:47

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by frankie i reckon so. that is a cam on ebay at the moment.

   Oh right, i dont suppoer u have the link mate?
8. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

   #8 18th January 2010, 12:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by folkers yep, think so unless there is a better way to gain from a furio engine?

   Its not really worth it, for the money spent you wont even be anywhere near vts power.
   You would be better sorting out suspension and brakes and saving up for a vts
9. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

   #9 18th January 2010, 12:02

   Not interested in VTR/VTS, as previously stated in another post I am looking to enter English MSA rally championship in the 1400cc class so need to get as much power from 1400 as possible!
10. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #10 18th January 2010, 12:09

    Well you want to be following the msa blue book and the regs of the club that run the championship
11. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

    #11 18th January 2010, 12:17

    mines had 4-2-1,cda air box, cam, straight through pipes and is only runnin 87bhp
    
    as to said if you can keep the speed in the corners and brake later you will get a better overal performance
12. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #12 18th January 2010, 12:22

    I have seen several 180bhp 1.4 tu engines in that championship. If you going to take it seriously send the engine off to someone like longmans and let them build it.
13. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

    #13 18th January 2010, 12:23

    yeah cheers, got the msa regs and english rally championship class regs too so will take another look
14. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #14 18th January 2010, 12:26

    how much money have you got to spend on it?
15. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

    #15 18th January 2010, 12:54

    well I'm a novice, and want to start with minor mods then build on it when I have more money! Any advice on what I could start with for best power gains on a budget?
16. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #16 18th January 2010, 12:59

    1400 is a very very competitive championship.
    To build a car from scratch your looking around £7k just to be upto minimum standard.
    Then you want a few grand in development so you can build a fast car which will be competitive
17. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

    #17 18th January 2010, 13:36

    I had considered the 205 cup as I can do that on a budget, and the engine modifications they allow are minimal! They opened it up last year to any citroen/peugeot vehicle with the 1360tu engine so that might be an idea?
18. Sparco_Tom Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2007 Aylesbury, Bucks Posts: 12836 Yeaaahh Fiesta

    #18 18th January 2010, 13:43

    That would be a better series to join as a novice or the mg metro cup
19. Sophia_Bush Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Jan 2007 Shropshire Posts: 9994 Moonstone Blue 106 GTi

    #19 18th January 2010, 13:45

    If using XSi head on a furio make sure the furio is an early single plug ecu type car, that way you can just use the full XSi top end setup. It will bolt right on no mods needed I did this to my old car with usual mods and amde circa 105bhp and cost of that was about £200 all in with hg belt change etc.
    
    ANother thing to consider if you can is getting a full S1 rallye top end setup if you can and bolt that on? I know of a lad on ssc that did that with a few more bits made 119bhp.
    
    Heads will go on no problems as the furios all used flat top pistons whilst the xsi/ralyle used domed ones so valve clearances will be fine
20. folkers L-plater Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 58

    #20 18th January 2010, 13:57

    yeah the engine is a 2002 furio engine, and about the 205 cup I think you're probably right, as I'm on a budget and its a national b event
21. samueljonburgess Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Dec 2007 bromley Posts: 2728 Nissan S13, Saxo Furio

    #21 18th January 2010, 14:34

    why dont you do stock hatch... they all use the vtrs
22. VTSTomE Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Hereford Posts: 1381 Indigo 16v Rallye + 2 VTS's

    #22 18th January 2010, 14:40

    Wouldnt it be easier to start with a 1.4 XSi instead of using all the bits, then you have a decent box aswel as bein lighter?