Putting VTS Lump in S2 Rallye..

1. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

   #1 19th January 2010, 14:10

   Well guys i've found a vts engine that is local..
   
   http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tchlink:top:en
   
   Just wondered how awkward it would be to fit this into the Rallye, I know very little about looms and ECU's but i do know that the Rallye has a dastek so its unlocked and its single plug so the vts engine should just plug straight in correct? Also it comes with a vts gearbox for £250 which seems very good for engine and gearbox correct me if i'm wrong, The question is should i do it ? The Rallye is an 8v 103bhp standard with Piper 270 cam, Still don't think it will have the power a standard vts engine would have so could be an idea. Help!
2. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #2 19th January 2010, 14:23

   Should be able to get a JP4 for much less than that.
3. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

   #3 19th January 2010, 14:25

   True enough yeah, Unconfirmed mileage etc. Shame there's no JP4's local.
4. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

   #4 19th January 2010, 14:28

   I believe Thecherry on this forum knows a good supplier of dirt cheap JP4's. Time to make best friends with someone who has a van.
5. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

   #5 19th January 2010, 14:31

   Oh really? Well the courier guy has recently been very generous to my postage prices so maybe i will ask him how much he would charge to pick up an engine for me? Pm me about JP4 prices if you wish.
6. jinx Frequent Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Staffordshire Posts: 745 Saxo - Furio 1.4

   #6 19th January 2010, 14:32

   What's the dodgy thing coming out the top. looks like wires.
7. Tufty Established Member Joined: Apr 2008 Watford Posts: 2033 Black Furio, Amazon Green VT-S Road Beast

   #7 19th January 2010, 15:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by jinx What's the dodgy thing coming out the top. looks like wires.

   Thats just a sensor from what looks like the throttle body mate
8. Krys_23 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6543

   #8 3rd February 2010, 15:25

   Just thought i would bump this as still considering it as the 8v is a dog for reliability.. Looking at a JP4 engine now, Just wondered as i'd imagine they are three plug and the Rallye is a single plug? But the rallye has a dastek ecu so would it be a lot of hassle ? Help please cheers.
9. axsaxoman Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2003 Scotland Posts: 3380

   #9 3rd February 2010, 19:38

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by Krys_23 True enough yeah, Unconfirmed mileage etc. Shame there's no JP4's local.

   jo4 is not as simple unless you have a vts to picnh ancillaries from as all sensors have different fittings ,cam belt covers dif ,inlet manifold dif ,sump is alluminimum ,so ex maniflds will not fit .
   I can supplyyou a cable operated t/body and adaptor plate for the jp4 inlet manifold ,which is bigger than std vts anyway
   I have one sitting if you want one ,s/w scotland .
   people will tel you to fit vts cmas etc ,but what they forget is the std jp3 makes 100 bhp at5800 rpm the saxo vts makes its 120 at 6800 ,that means the jp4 will pull alot better at lower rpm . the vts makes less bhp at 5800 then the jp4 does .
   it also means your vtr gear raitos will work well with the std jp4
   so i would always suggest you leave engine as std till after you have tried it --you will besuprised how well the go even with no mods
10. miamibluebaby Established Member Joined: May 2009 Ellesmere (Shropshire) Posts: 1044 superchared 106 gti

    #10 3rd February 2010, 20:42

    Jp4 = low millage but bit of an arse to fit with inlets ect but has been done enough times now to find people with experiance on fitting
    
    J4 = cheaper, plus has been put into countles rallye's loads of help out there with this
    
    in standard for the Jp4 is slightly better on performance, but if you ever decide to modify from what i understand there is little point using the jp4 as the j4 is just as capable.
11. jonezy Established Member Joined: Jul 2007 Carnforth (lancaster) Posts: 1617 55 CTR premier '97 posi vts

    #11 3rd February 2010, 20:49

    think you will need a gti loom for it to work. ive got one you can have for free if my dad didnt throw it away.
12. miamibluebaby Established Member Joined: May 2009 Ellesmere (Shropshire) Posts: 1044 superchared 106 gti

    #12 3rd February 2010, 21:03

    Just get on the Rallye register theres a whole forum dedicated to 16v conversions for Rallye's!! explains most things, asfar as looms go, there is a lad on there that you send both looms to so 16v and 8v he will splice you a new one out of the two and lable it up for around £90 my friend used him top job, but that was an s1 16v..... common question on owners here and RR though tbf and plenty of answers
13. AlexR Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2004 Kunt & Sorrey Posts: 5763 Rep mobiles & Joes ma

    #13 3rd February 2010, 22:03

    LOL @ That ebay ad.
    
    That's a pre 1999 engine as it has no prongs & single plug ecu, as if a 1997/1998 engine has 53k? 12/13 years of thrashing. Average mileage would be 120-140k for that age too...
    
    Buy a tidy 106 GTi engine and get someone with the right knowledge to fit it.