Does a vts head fit on a vtr engine?

27th January 2010, 11:30

Would the haed off a vts fit onto the block of a vtr?

Thanks in advance for any help.

27th January 2010, 12:11

No mate.

Steve.

27th January 2010, 12:17

Head bolts don't line up plus a dozen other factors.

It's cheaper and easier to fit a full 16v engine

27th January 2010, 12:21

fair enuff. lol

28th January 2010, 11:46

what would you expect to get from doing that?

28th January 2010, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Stevo_

what would you expect to get from doing that?

He would expect to get vts power for cheaper than a full engine swap

28th January 2010, 12:01

vee tee ess onley has 16 more valvies, put teh head on me wikid paxo and it will pwn sc00b1es

28th January 2010, 17:50

yes it fits and people who say otherwise dont have a clue. the vtr and vts use the exact same engine block the differences are. you need to drill an oil return in the vtr block next to where the dipstick goes into the block. you need vts pistons and rods as the vts ones are slightly pocketed for the valves. you also need vts cam belt tensioners the holes are already tapped out on the block. simples really this can be done alot cheaper than buying a full vts engine. as this is what i was going to do. simples

28th January 2010, 17:51

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Originally Posted by sm02_saxo

vee tee ess onley has 16 more valvies, put teh head on me wikid paxo and it will pwn sc00b1es

your a fanny

28th January 2010, 17:52

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Originally Posted by saxo180

Head bolts don't line up plus a dozen other factors.

It's cheaper and easier to fit a full 16v engine

head bolts do line up ass cheese

28th January 2010, 17:55

what about a vtr head on a furio bottom then?? haha

28th January 2010, 17:55

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Originally Posted by boabVTR

yes it fits and people who say otherwise dont have a clue. the vtr and vts use the exact same engine block the differences are. you need to drill an oil return in the vtr block next to where the dipstick goes into the block. you need vts pistons and rods as the vts ones are slightly pocketed for the valves. you also need vts cam belt tensioners the holes are already tapped out on the block. simples really this can be done alot cheaper than buying a full vts engine. as this is what i was going to do. simples

even if this did work unless you are a skilled mechanic who has access to a free VTS it certainly won't be cheaper than just getting a full VTS engine and dropping it in..

28th January 2010, 17:56

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

what about a vtr head on a furio bottom then?? haha

this can be done,

28th January 2010, 17:57

hmm i actually dont see why not end of the day its still a tu block

28th January 2010, 17:57

yes, not a simple job but can be done

but it works out cheaper to just buy a vts/gti engine unless u are able to do the work urself

as for 8v head swops, this can be done easyily, any 8v head to any 8v block with no trouble really,

28th January 2010, 18:00

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Originally Posted by boabVTR

hmm i actually dont see why not end of the day its still a tu block

well fair enough it can be done but sounds like plenty of things can go wrong when you can get plenty of rear ended VTS/GTi's breaking spares. pick an engine up for about £100-400 depending on condition and you are ready to go basically + if all goes tit's up youve still got your old engine

28th January 2010, 18:01

thats what i thought... but cituning recommended i didnt

i would need a vtr head + what internals?

28th January 2010, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Lew_C

even if this did work unless you are a skilled mechanic who has access to a free VTS it certainly won't be cheaper than just getting a full VTS engine and dropping it in..

i priced it all up a while back. vts engine = 250 quid plus for a good 1. i will agree its not a massive saving converting the vtr but it is a saving and im not a skilled mechanic and i was going to do the swap piece o piss

28th January 2010, 18:05

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Originally Posted by Lew_C

well fair enough it can be done but sounds like plenty of things can go wrong when you can get plenty of rear ended VTS/GTi's breaking spares. pick an engine up for about £100-400 depending on condition and you are ready to go basically + if all goes tit's up youve still got your old engine

yeah true i got my gti engine off ebay for 21 quid. also agree with your last point.lol.

its just i keep seeing this question on here and everyone straight away says no it dont fit doesnt work.

28th January 2010, 18:06

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Originally Posted by boabVTR

yeah true i got my gti engine off ebay for 21 quid. also agree with your last point.lol.

its just i keep seeing this question on here and everyone straight away says no it dont fit doesnt work.

Fair point proving it can be done mate

i didn't think it was possible

28th January 2010, 18:08

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

thats what i thought... but cituning recommended i didnt

i would need a vtr head + what internals?

well, cituning know a shit load more than me, so i'd listen to them pal, all i know is that it will work and is a straight swap. Thats me done on exchanging the head from a VTR to 1.4. you might as well just change the lot

28th January 2010, 18:14

ye id go vts it the end.... but just wondered for now

i take it the stroke is longer on them rather than the bore....

28th January 2010, 18:54

headgaskets are different, with different holes in different places for the oilways. which would suggest to me the spacing of the oilways is different on the 2 engines

28th January 2010, 22:51

any reason to change furio head to vtr?

28th January 2010, 23:09

to make it a vtr?.....

28th January 2010, 23:43

Changing the head on a furio to a vtr head won't make it a vtr. It'll make it a 1.4 furio with a vtr head...

29th January 2010, 00:25

are the valves bigger etc?

29th January 2010, 00:46

a quick look would suggest the vtr has a longer stroke than the furio, i think that would mean the duration on the vtr cam would keep the valves open too long for the furio bottom end and youd end up mashing valves against the pistons.
i could be wrong, im still learning lol

29th January 2010, 01:31

is the block the same height thou?

29th January 2010, 07:50

most probably

29th January 2010, 11:14

block must be the same hight but the head must be taller?.... but you must need longer conecting rod

29th January 2010, 17:40

again, any 8v head will fit any 8v block with out a problem.

29th January 2010, 18:27

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Originally Posted by Steffrallye

again, any 8v head will fit any 8v block with out a problem.

physically maybe. but will there not be issues with them all having different bore and stroke sizes? eg; where a vtr head meets a furio cyclinder, the vtr will have a bigger combustion chamber?

29th January 2010, 18:32

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Originally Posted by LeeM

headgaskets are different, with different holes in different places for the oilways. which would suggest to me the spacing of the oilways is different on the 2 engines

hmm I dunno about that cause I ordered a mls headgasket from gmc about oct time when I cammed my 8v and I rang to make sure I had the right headgasket cause I thought the 8v and 16v may have been different, but the guy at gmc told me there is no difference the headgasket is the same between 8v and 16v and the blocks are identical well apart from a few minor details and obviously the internals.

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Originally Posted by Steffrallye

again, any 8v head will fit any 8v block with out a problem.

well you may get a problem if you use a blacktop head on later silvertop bottom end though, it will fit but you will have very little clearence between valve on piston, should be ok with standard cam well the blacktop vtr cam, but u get contact with an aftermarket cam and if you use rallye or xsi head you may get contact well i'd say it's a 50/50 cause the xsi and rallye cams are quite wild for standard cams.

29th January 2010, 18:47

nope!!!!!!!!!

29th January 2010, 19:14

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Originally Posted by laurence

nope!!!!!!!!!

Nope???? What's the referring to? The 16v head on 8v block?

Cause if it is your wrong, the 16v head bolts straight onto the 8v block and fits fine, you just have to change a couple minor things to the block an the internals cause standard 8v pistons won't give the right clearence

boabvtr will be able to explain more as he's done it or is in the process of fitting 16v headto 8v block I can't remember if he's done it yet. And I'm sure someone else has done it too

so it can be done !!
But as said some people will find it easier to just put the whole 16v lump in

29th January 2010, 20:36

would a thicker he3ad gasket be enough?

29th January 2010, 20:38

Yes it fits. No it's not worth it. Search, DB_Sax posted a link to a Bulgarian site where a lad was doing it, and it's just so much easier to put a full lump in.

29th January 2010, 20:40

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=283440

29th January 2010, 20:41

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Originally Posted by titchster

Yes it fits. No it's not worth it. Search, DB_Sax posted a link to a Bulgarian site where a lad was doing it, and it's just so much easier to put a full lump in.

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Originally Posted by db_sax

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=283440

lol, you beat me to it.

Links in that thread along with some very breif notes about doing this sort of work.

29th January 2010, 23:04

ye id go vts and do the full engine.... but i just wondered if it would work and would would be needed as it would of maybe been a cheaper option for now

30th January 2010, 17:33

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Originally Posted by LeeM

physically maybe. but will there not be issues with them all having different bore and stroke sizes? eg; where a vtr head meets a furio cyclinder, the vtr will have a bigger combustion chamber?

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Originally Posted by vtr_chris90

well you may get a problem if you use a blacktop head on later silvertop bottom end though, it will fit but you will have very little clearence between valve on piston, should be ok with standard cam well the blacktop vtr cam, but u get contact with an aftermarket cam and if you use rallye or xsi head you may get contact well i'd say it's a 50/50 cause the xsi and rallye cams are quite wild for standard cams.

there is no problems what so ever, ive done it i dont know how many times,
out side on the drive is a 1.4 xsi ive just fitted with a 2000> 1.6 vtr bottom end and the xsi head is as skimmed as u can get lol.
ive fitted vtr heads to quiksilvers (same engine as furio's), ive fitted Rallye/XSi heads to VTR's, Quiksilvers, etc
there is no problems with clearance's,

31st January 2010, 01:46

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Originally Posted by wildrenegade

any reason to change furio head to vtr?

Quote:

Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

to make it a vtr?.....

it will change an 8valve head to........ an 8 valve head, whats the difference lol wont change the capacity from a 1400 to 1600 at all

31st January 2010, 01:50

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Originally Posted by LSOfreak

it will change an 8valve head to........ an 8 valve head, whats the difference lol wont change the capacity from a 1400 to 1600 at all

but will open valve earlyer as the vtr need more feul
more feul more power simple

as i will be doing this on my 1.2 corsa it will have a 1.4 head

31st January 2010, 01:54

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Originally Posted by samueljonburgess

ye id go vts and do the full engine.... but i just wondered if it would work and would would be needed as it would of maybe been a cheaper option for now

it would but you would need the whole wiring loom exhaust mani ect
tbh it makes sense to do whole thing unless your old block is in better nick

31st January 2010, 01:58

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Originally Posted by tom130691

but will open valve earlyer as the vtr need more feul
more feul more power simple

as i will be doing this on my 1.2 corsa it will have a 1.4 head

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

31st January 2010, 02:00

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Originally Posted by tom130691

but will open valve earlyer as the vtr need more feul
more feul more power simple

as i will be doing this on my 1.2 corsa it will have a 1.4 head

So if i buy one of them crap FSE power boost valves and turn my fueling really high it will give me more power?

Might just be the way you worded it, but more fuel (on it's own anyway) doesn't mean more power.

31st January 2010, 12:04

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Originally Posted by tom130691

but will open valve earlyer as the vtr need more feul
more feul more power simple

as i will be doing this on my 1.2 corsa it will have a 1.4 head

if that was the case then pistons will be hitting valves