custom wishbone

10th February 2010, 20:57

i came across this on tinterweb and its linked to ssc

anyone have any idea where to get these???

link to ssc:http://www.saxosportsclub.com/Forums...c/t=37963.html

10th February 2010, 21:00

was thinking about custom wishbone's abit earlier.

the making of them would be "to hard" he says.

working everything out would though.

10th February 2010, 21:05

it would cut down maintainence on that part of the suspension

because i am replaing my track rod ends with rose jointed ends! and looking how to design droplinks to do same job etc!

so thought about bottom arms too! and came across this!

10th February 2010, 21:10

im trying to find some rally parts i was looking at ages ago.

also on the site was a kit, to allow independant suspension on the rear

10th February 2010, 21:12

just reading kiwis thread which was linked in the SSC and he built them from scratch.

10th February 2010, 21:13

10th February 2010, 21:13

well hope he/someone else sees this and the thread i done there and someone can make up a set...try get a group buy going, because they would be immense!!

10th February 2010, 21:17

db_sax what the hell they off they defo aint saxo/106 as there aint a part with two hole for the bit that locates under pedal/footwells of car

10th February 2010, 21:17

I have had something similar but not those exact ones. The general issue with anything such is that is that rose joints and solid metal bushings all have a very short service life. When you look at track cars and rally cars with these there literally being stripped down with in thousand miles or so if not every race.

10th February 2010, 21:19

surely if they are greased up a little (so long they are located with nylok bots/nuts) they should be fine/visable for road use.

at end of day you wont be going as hard, and you would only really use it on a couple of track days!

10th February 2010, 21:19

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Originally Posted by db_sax

These are off a AX kit car (mad rally)

10th February 2010, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxwell

surely if they are greased up a little (so long they are located with nylok bots/nuts) they should be fine/visable for road use.

at end of day you wont be going as hard, and you would only really use it on a couple of track days!

Its not really the load as there very strong. There are a few big problems. Biggest there is no give in it even minimal wear results in play and knocking. The parts also have no real weather proofing so all the road grime gets in and and destroy them in no time. But i as you say if you are happy to clean and greas them every drive they would last a bit longer

10th February 2010, 21:32

Standard ones are fine unless looking at widetrack, extra strength for using slicks under braking etc or just suspension adjustability

10th February 2010, 21:36

i just want minimum maintainence!

think if you where to clean and grease after every time/or every couple of times you bring the car out, its better than replacing a full bottom arm for mot as your ball joints are wrecked!

in all my time in owning saxos/106s and friends having them, i have replaced a total of 14 sets of bottom arms, and its mainly rash driving and pulling big wheels!

standard bottom arms wont last if your running 16" wheels (because 15"s wont fit over brakes) and 220bhp+ at the wheels!

so rose jointed front suspension would be a better and long lasting option!

and say you had to replace a joint due to wear its £7.00 - £20 max for a new rose joint...opposed to £55 - £65 + for one brand new arm!

10th February 2010, 21:40

Stick rubber boots over the rose joints and pack with grease, that would make them last longer and protect against the elements.

10th February 2010, 21:44

lozza has threw another good idea into the mix...cheers buddy

10th February 2010, 21:52

The problem with them is keeping the standard arb and droplinks, whilst keeping the wishbones strong enough

10th February 2010, 21:53

If your just after adjustable track or stronger arms you could totally forget the rose joints and solid bushings. Just use a poly bush for the inner and then a normal sealed ball on the outer.

10th February 2010, 21:57

So your replacing wishbones because the ball joints are feked....?

Decent rose joints are over £20 each aswell.....

If your not looking for adjustabliity/widetrack then custom tubular wishbones arent really necessary tbh.

10th February 2010, 21:58

the geometry would need to be worked out and raunchz the arb and droplinks are seperate!

im also looking into getting a rose jointed type droplink too!

as i said i will look into every aspect of it!

10th February 2010, 21:58

There is no reason you should go through them that quick unless you are seperating them incorrectly. Poly bushs will last plenty long enough and instead of replacing arms just replace the ball jiont.

10th February 2010, 22:00

aron sure the ball joint is pressed into it???

10th February 2010, 22:01

Rose jionted drop links have been done plently of times and can get purchased

10th February 2010, 22:01

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Originally Posted by Aron

Rose jionted drop links have been done plently of times and can get purchased

linky please?

10th February 2010, 22:01

Yea so press them out and press new in. Sure it is £12 for a pair of them

10th February 2010, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Maxwell

linky please?

go look at dannygti's thread. sure he is running them. On me iphone so a ain to look for things

10th February 2010, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxwell

the geometry would need to be worked out and raunchz the arb and droplinks are seperate!

im also looking into getting a rose jointed type droplink too!

as i said i will look into every aspect of it!

I know they are seperate, but with the wisbones in the first post, you couldn't run the standard ard as there would be no real way of connecting it to the strut with a droplink.

You'd need a custom arb/droplink setup too, to match the wishbones. There's a huge thread over on shed discussing it. It's a lot harder/a lot of work involved doing it.

Whether it'd be worth it on standard suspension geo is debatable. If looking to widetrack then would definitely be needed to retain good handling whilst increasing the track.

10th February 2010, 22:07

instead of that triangle type shape it woul need to be more like the standard shape, but just the ends all changed!

as i have explained im not looking to widen the track etc, im just not wanting any rubber in the front apart from the wheels lol

10th February 2010, 22:09

So use powerflex competion bushes.

Edit: with the likes of spoox or pug france rears

10th February 2010, 23:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxwell

linky please?

You cant get them anymore.

11th February 2010, 08:33

A very good read!

http://s9.zetaboards.com/Shed_motors...opic/465280/1/

11th February 2010, 11:26

cheers ross mate!! very helpful read

11th February 2010, 21:11

why would you wanna buy a complete arm at £65 when you can replace the worn balljoint or bush for a few quid and if youre destroying bushes why not use uprated ones

27th February 2010, 13:48

iam making a custom set up for a customer at the moment ill post some pics up next week to see what you lot think.
adam

27th February 2010, 14:14

will they use oem droplinks and arb ?

27th February 2010, 14:25

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Originally Posted by raunchz

will they use oem droplinks and arb ?

yes the droplinks fit from the shocks to the arb so theres no need to change them, ill be making some droplinks later on for this car but for now its just the lower arm, so the camber and toe in/out can be fully adjusted. theres a big weight saving compared to the standard one aswell.
adam

27th February 2010, 14:27

awesome - look forward to seeing a few pics, could have a few more customers for a set of these

27th February 2010, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by raunchz

awesome - look forward to seeing a few pics, could have a few more customers for a set of these

at the moment iam testing a set with solid blocks mounted on the rear of the arm but theres a lot more road noise transmited into the chassis, so iam looking at using the standard rubber rear mount aswell for everyday road use but you will still get the adjustment.
adam

2nd March 2010, 11:57

good man! get piccies up asap.....infact pm me incase i forget about this!

if all is good well you can make a few sets