car wont run, too much fuel??

1. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

   #1 11th February 2010, 13:10

   im not sure if this is the right section(feel free to move if its not).
   
   well my m8 bought a 1.4 westcoast yesterday, as a non runner, the lad who sold it didnt knw what was wrong with it,
   
   before it gets a new engine i want just make sure we have done everything,
   
   here a run down of what we have changed and what its doing.
   
   new plugs
   new coil pack
   new fuel filter
   new battery
   new crank sensor
   
   
   when we try start it, it fires and wants to go, but then after a few turns of the key it floods the plugs with petrol, not just wet (soaking).trying to start it, it blow the fuel filter off.
   its like its sending to much petrol to the engine.
   
   i've read about the single injection engine having a fuel persure senor, that returns the excess petrol back to the fuel tank,
   dos the multi injection engine have this and if so could this be our problem?(if so where is it located on the engine)
   
   any ideas, before we give up and buy new engine ?
2. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

   #2 11th February 2010, 13:53

   any1 ???
3. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

   #3 11th February 2010, 19:36

   bump to top
4. Boothy_UK Banned Joined: Sep 2008 bastardville Posts: 860 a cunt for a eye

   #4 11th February 2010, 19:38

   someone will reply soon...with knowlage, trust me.
   i however have nooo idea =/ sorry if it got your hopes up.
   its tea time for many sax-p'ers.
   J x
5. DJjuveVTS Regular Poster Joined: Jun 2008 Dundee Posts: 298 106 GTI

   #5 11th February 2010, 19:56

   vts ftw! get rid of that engine, i dont know much about engines tbh, but if you dont want to be racing 1.4s ah your life then get a proper upgrade
   
   and im not talkin street racing, strictly 1/2 mile play it safe
6. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

   #6 11th February 2010, 20:01

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by DJjuveVTS vts ftw! get rid of that engine, i dont know much about engines tbh, but if you dont want to be racing 1.4s ah your life then get a proper upgrade and im not talkin street racing, strictly 1/2 mile play it safe

   
   
   vts ftw, (wht dos that mean),
   
   he cant have any engine bigger than a 1.4 atm hes only 17 and his dad wont let him have anything bigger till he hits 21, and when he dos hes got an 2.0litre red top astra, sitting on his drive waiting, (not that i'd want an astra but its been his project for years).
7. shayne_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chesterfield Posts: 571 SAXO VTR POSI BLUE MK1 (98)

   #7 11th February 2010, 22:59

   wen you turn the ignition on are there any lights on the dash?
8. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

   #8 12th February 2010, 02:35

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by lizza im not sure if this is the right section(feel free to move if its not). well my m8 bought a 1.4 westcoast yesterday, as a non runner, the lad who sold it didnt knw what was wrong with it, before it gets a new engine i want just make sure we have done everything, here a run down of what we have changed and what its doing. new plugs new coil pack new fuel filter new battery new crank sensor when we try start it, it fires and wants to go, but then after a few turns of the key it floods the plugs with petrol, not just wet (soaking).trying to start it, it blow the fuel filter off. its like its sending to much petrol to the engine. i've read about the single injection engine having a fuel persure senor, that returns the excess petrol back to the fuel tank, dos the multi injection engine have this and if so could this be our problem?(if so where is it located on the engine) any ideas, before we give up and buy new engine ?

   sounds like the ecu need seeing too.....
9. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

   #9 12th February 2010, 09:45

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by shayne_vtr wen you turn the ignition on are there any lights on the dash?

   yeah all the lights are working.
10. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #10 12th February 2010, 09:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxokid100 sounds like the ecu need seeing too.....

    im changing it this afternoon.
    
    falling that, any other ideas ???
11. iSlayeR Established Member Joined: Aug 2009 King's lynn Posts: 2073 Turbocharged vtr

    #11 12th February 2010, 10:15

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DJjuveVTS vts ftw! get rid of that engine, i dont know much about engines tbh, but if you dont want to be racing 1.4s ah your life then get a proper upgrade and im not talkin street racing, strictly 1/2 mile play it safe

    
    
12. c20xejay Frequent Poster Joined: Jan 2010 Wakefield Posts: 594 seat leon fr

    #12 12th February 2010, 10:21

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lizza vts ftw, (wht dos that mean), he cant have any engine bigger than a 1.4 atm hes only 17 and his dad wont let him have anything bigger till he hits 21, and when he dos hes got an 2.0litre red top astra, sitting on his drive waiting, (not that i'd want an astra but its been his project for years).

    the mk3 gsi?
13. shayne_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chesterfield Posts: 571 SAXO VTR POSI BLUE MK1 (98)

    #13 12th February 2010, 10:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lizza yeah all the lights are working.

    i mean is ther an orange light flashing on your dash? the imobiliser light
14. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #14 12th February 2010, 10:53

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by shayne_vtr i mean is ther an orange light flashing on your dash? the imobiliser light

    is that the light next to the airbag light, the one with that looks like a K,
    
    it stays on?
15. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #15 12th February 2010, 10:55

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by c20xejay the mk3 gsi?

    yeah,
    
    hes actually got 5 astra shells down atm, he keeps chopping and changing,
    
    ive gotta get picks my car for another thread later on, while im there i'l get pics and post after tea time.
16. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #16 12th February 2010, 12:46

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lizza is that the light next to the airbag light, the one with that looks like a K, it stays on?

    yea thats ecu light
    
    get a diagnostic check done
    saves the messing tbh it could be one of a few sensors
17. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #17 12th February 2010, 20:31

    massive progress this afternoon,
    got car put on a diagnostic machine, it found that some relay under the ECU had gone, ( didnt really make much sense to me) but what ever the relay was it cost a £5, and the car runs sweet as,
    my mates well chuffed,
    bargin car at grand total £400, and that includes the diesel to go and tow it back,
    
    he said thanks to you all for all your help,
18. AlexBp West Midlands Joined: Dec 2007 West mids Posts: 23149 Supra,civic GL

    #18 12th February 2010, 22:31

    fuel pump relay then
    
    diagnostics are allways the best option imo
    saves spending 100s on sensors not at fault
19. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #19 12th February 2010, 22:38

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lizza massive progress this afternoon, got car put on a diagnostic machine, it found that some relay under the ECU had gone, ( didnt really make much sense to me) but what ever the relay was it cost a £5, and the car runs sweet as, my mates well chuffed, bargin car at grand total £400, and that includes the diesel to go and tow it back, he said thanks to you all for all your help,

    was it brown relay by any chance??
20. Colin Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jan 2006 Banbury Posts: 4623 Saxo Rally Car Evo 6

    #20 12th February 2010, 22:41

    Id have a look at the fuel pressure regulator/pump being damaged or something. Injection cars dont seem to flood though, its a carb thing tbh.
21. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #21 13th February 2010, 11:44

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saxokid100 was it brown relay by any chance??

    emm i dont know i didnt put it in,
    
    but i'll ask when i get down there this after x
22. lizza Regular Poster Joined: Oct 2009 chirk, wrexham Posts: 479 1.4 mrk 1

    #22 13th February 2010, 11:47

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AlexB fuel pump relay then diagnostics are allways the best option imo saves spending 100s on sensors not at fault

    the machine didnt actually pin point the exact fault, it couldnt find it,
    it was the lad in the garage that suggested it.
    
    he reset things too , what ever that means lol, tbh i dont really get the termanology they use.
23. user_10418 Saxperience Addict Joined: Jun 2006 Wirral Posts: 13584 Wickerd red VTS MK2, Two tone VTS MK2,vvc Metro..

    #23 14th February 2010, 01:51

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lizza emm i dont know i didnt put it in, but i'll ask when i get down there this after x

    did you find out??