16v conversion help.

1. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

   #1 15th February 2010, 17:12

   Hello all,
   
   I'm new on here, but been active on ssc for about a year!
   I need some help with regards to a conversion I'm currently doing, which i've been posting about on SSC but thought I'd try my luck on here cause you guys get alot more traffic!
   
   I'm putting a 106 GTi lump into a furio and am at the point where I need to sort out the looms.
   
   I have sorted the furio loom out and identified the wires from the multiplugand matched them to the GTi loom.
   
   The problem is that i have a few wires on the GTi loom that I dont know the purpose of!
   
   The first is a green and yellow wire that comes from the multi plug and joins into a load of other green and yellow wires close to the ECU plug.
   
   The second is a red wire that goes from the multiplug to the alternator.
   
   Then there is a seperate grey multiplug on the GTi loom that isnt on the furio:
   -1 yellow wire going to a plug at the back of the block
   -Pair of wires going to a green plug at the front of the block close to the alterator
   
   If anyone can tell me what to do with these I will actually drive to your house and kiss you!
2. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

   #2 15th February 2010, 17:16

   mite be able to help get some pics how are you using a gti loom they have to interior plugs ??
3. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

   #3 15th February 2010, 18:21

   I'll get some photos up when I get my phone back then.
   
   The loom is the one that came with the engine.
   
   Cheers
4. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #4 15th February 2010, 18:24

   Yellow wire at the back of the block will be oil pressure or oil temp, which ever the 16v has that the furio dosent i think...
5. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

   #5 15th February 2010, 19:37

   so its a gti loom then im guessing??
6. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

   #6 15th February 2010, 22:57

   sorry Lharrowing, yeah its a GTi loom!
   
   
   
   this is the plug at the back
   
   
   this is the plug at the front by the alternator
   
   
   this is the green and yellow wire that connects to a but load of other green and yellow wires.
   
   
   thanks guys!
7. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

   #7 15th February 2010, 22:58

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by db_sax Yellow wire at the back of the block will be oil pressure or oil temp, which ever the 16v has that the furio dosent i think...

   so can i get away without using these?
8. Mochachino Saxperience Hardcore! Joined: Nov 2007 Guantanamo Bay Posts: 28700 oyster card

   #8 15th February 2010, 23:02

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by robut so can i get away without using these?

   I think but im not sure but it will be just for the dials.
   
   Check the wiring diagram out
9. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

   #9 15th February 2010, 23:05

   were u plug the black round connector to your interior loom in engine bay on your loom is there a white one which leads off this ?? if so that looms not much good
10. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #10 15th February 2010, 23:16

    Ahh cheers! That helps a lot.
    
    Doesn't show that green/yellow lead though. Might it be an earth that I could just attach it to the gearbox?
    
    Guys on the Rallyereg seem to say that you dont need the oil temp/level wires for it to run.
11. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #11 15th February 2010, 23:18

    Lharrow, why do you think this loom is no good?
12. lharrowing Frequent Poster Joined: Nov 2008 norwich Posts: 941 Citroen Saxo Westcoast MK1

    #12 15th February 2010, 23:19

    as if it has two plugs for interior loom your saxo only has one so it wont mactch
13. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #13 15th February 2010, 23:20

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by lharrowing as if it has two plugs for interior loom your saxo only has one so it wont mactch

    ok but if they are only for lights on the dash, surely that wont matter?
14. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #14 15th February 2010, 23:21

    what happened to the diagram? lol
15. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #15 16th February 2010, 19:05

    Got the engine in today was piss easy with a crane but getting the two hoses on behind the inlet mani were a ballache!
    
    
    Couldn't start it up for a few reasons:
    1. It hasn't got any oil
    2. The rad isn't plumbed in
    3. I forgot my keys. (tw@t)
    
    Still got a few wires which I cant figure out.
    
    Wire 1:
    The furio loom had a wire going to the crank sensor to the multiplug but the GTi loom doesn't, I'm tempted to just patch this into the existing crank sensor wiring on the wire that doesn't go back to the ECU.
    
    Wire 2:
    Green/yellow (earth) wire that goes back to a bunch of other same coloured wires.
    
    Wire 3:
    Red wire that goes to the alternator.
16. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #16 17th February 2010, 11:33

    Anyone? Thanks!
17. shayne_vtr Frequent Poster Joined: Jul 2009 chesterfield Posts: 571 SAXO VTR POSI BLUE MK1 (98)

    #17 17th February 2010, 15:58

    get a vts loom mate
18. robut Regular Poster Joined: Jan 2010 South Wales Posts: 282 '00 Furio 16v

    #18 17th February 2010, 17:33

    Just tried my luck and it started!
    
    Well happy!
    
    Thanks for the help guys!