what bhp is C2 vts

16th February 2010, 21:25

same as above? cheers

16th February 2010, 21:27

125bhp iirc. Slower than a Saxo VTS due to weight though

16th February 2010, 21:27

yeah 125bhp is correct

16th February 2010, 21:28

As aboe 125bhp, and weighs a fair but more so it equals less than a VTS power to weight wise.

16th February 2010, 21:28

how would a standard one cope with moded vtr?

16th February 2010, 21:30

Probably not too well lol my mates C2 GT was exactly same speed as my unserviced in a long time VTR lol and i only have exhaust and induction..

16th February 2010, 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys_VTR

how would a standard one cope with moded vtr?

Probably keep up. But it depends on what "mods" you have done to the VTR.

And yours is 90bhp? I don't think a few basic mods and a better driver are going to make up the 35bhp difference, even if it is more like 25bhp power to weight.

16th February 2010, 21:31

so a good driver in a vtr could keep with it?

16th February 2010, 21:32

decated and air feed?

16th February 2010, 21:33

Standard c2 vts's start pulling away from a saxo vts's around 60, but 100 theyve left you.

16th February 2010, 21:35

vtrs.. are the same if not faster tbh!!

my mates got a vts loeb, which is lightweight version and my vtr pissed all over it!!

and mine was just twin exhaust system and raceland with green filter and fully serviced!!

2 mins and ill get a vid!

16th February 2010, 21:35

time to start a project motor i think lol

16th February 2010, 21:36

a standard vts c2 would batter a vtr, a vtr c2 would as well with it bein 16v an a saxo vtr only bein a 8v,

16th February 2010, 21:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

vtrs.. are the same if not faster tbh!!

my mates got a vts loeb, which is lightweight version and my vtr pissed all over it!!

and mine was just twin exhaust system and raceland with green filter and fully serviced!!

2 mins and ill get a vid!

your great mate uv made my day

16th February 2010, 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

a standard vts c2 would batter a vtr, a vtr c2 would as well with it bein 16v an a saxo vtr only bein a 8v,

lol bs!!

thats bs mate sorry. this is my mates v2 vts loeb:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB6ZY8_Qwzg

and my black vtr.. its just under quarter mile, but we have raced over a 2 mile air field and it was pretty much dead even on the end with him prob a car length infront off me!!

16th February 2010, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys_VTR

your great mate uv made my day

Im sorry yeah but do NOT listen to these people!! ill make a new video off my mates c2 vs my gti, over a mile and prove to you, check the video mate!.

16th February 2010, 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

a standard vts c2 would batter a vtr, a vtr c2 would as well with it bein 16v an a saxo vtr only bein a 8v,

Could have sworn the VTR is only a 1.4 piece of wank?

16th February 2010, 21:40

they do a 1.4, but they also do a 1.6 16v.

16th February 2010, 21:40

i love it mate

16th February 2010, 21:43

just so you cant say it was a 1 off:

http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=Video040.flv

16th February 2010, 21:44

i went from owning a vtr saxo with a full s/s exhaust sytem with decat, with a induction kit with cold air feed, then got in a c2 vtr an the c2 was a lot quicker, so it aint bs at all is it....but i guess my saxo was just crap ey.

16th February 2010, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

just so you cant say it was a 1 off:

http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/g...t=Video040.flv

Maybe because the Loeb has 15bhp LESS than the VTS? And is that Saxo a MK1 or MK2?

16th February 2010, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

i went from owning a vtr saxo with a full s/s exhaust sytem with decat, with a induction kit with cold air feed, then got in a c2 vtr an the c2 was a lot quicker, so it aint bs at all is it....but i guess my saxo was just crap ey.

videos dont lie. so obvly not quicker.. just look at c2's 1/4 mile times.. there in the 17's.. alot off vtrs run 16's.. my mates now has exhaust with decat, just been serviced,

and against my gti there is even more off a gap..

16th February 2010, 21:46

Absolutly no way that a 98bhp lump with breathing mods piss over a 125bhp loeb, it must be shit, coz my pal has got one with about 7k miles (standard aswell) on it and it pisses over vts's never mind r's.

16th February 2010, 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

Maybe because the Loeb has 15bhp LESS than the VTS? And is that Saxo a MK1 or MK2?

mine was a vtr.. and a mark 1 90bhp

16th February 2010, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by sm02_saxo

Absolutly no way that a 98bhp lump with breathing mods piss over a 125bhp loeb, it must be shit, coz my pal has got one with about 7k miles (standard aswell) on it and it pisses over vts's never mind r's.

lmao..

check my progress thread please:

http://www.saxperience.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=163916

his is a 56plate, got about 12k on it i think.. the videos dont lie..

Also there is no F**king way that a c2 would beat a vts lmao!!!

16th February 2010, 21:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

mine was a vtr.. and a mark 1 90bhp

Then your mate MUST have been trying to accelerate with the weight of his ballsack because theres just no way.

16th February 2010, 21:49

lets get on the track at fcs, if your vtr is faster than my c2 ill shake your hand and say well done but i dont reckon youll do it tbh.

16th February 2010, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

mine was a vtr.. and a mark 1 90bhp

your sayin that 35bhp wouldnt be enuf to pull an extra 160kg?

16th February 2010, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

lets get on the track at fcs, if your vtr is faster than my c2 ill shake your hand and say well done but i dont reckon youll do it tbh.

well thats my old vtr, i now have a gti, would be happy to piss all over you on the track if you wish lmao.. ill be running pred with ph3s..

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

your sayin that 35bhp wouldnt be enuf to pull an extra 160kg?

well im saying theres the videos.. ive raced 2 c2s and both were about the same, the saxos is much lighter i dont think i had back seats in tbh, he had a passanger if u wanna use some excuses lmao!

16th February 2010, 21:51

Fuck that VTR looks quick! Lol.

16th February 2010, 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

well thats my old vtr, i now have a gti, would be happy to piss all over you on the track if you wish lmao.. ill be running pred with ph3s..

well im saying theres the videos.. ive raced 2 c2s and both were about the same, the saxos is much lighter i dont think i had back seats in tbh, he had a passanger if u wanna use some excuses lmao!

well you probs would im not saying my c2 would beat that am i.

16th February 2010, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9Freedman9

Fuck that VTR looks quick! Lol.

If its genuine, that r is one of the quickest ive seen, for the mods it has... goes like its got a cam in and a remap.

16th February 2010, 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

your sayin that 35bhp wouldnt be enuf to pull an extra 160kg?

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

well you probs would im not saying my c2 would beat that am i.

well i cant race you in my old vtr as its gone and dead now, you have a c2 and mabey you just dont like knowing that it will get done by a vtr..?

im not trying to cause arguements im just stating the proof.. i dont see no one else with videos.. but thats the results off the race.. his is brand new pretty much and he had a saxo westcost befor that then a 206 gti, and the gti was a good race to my vtr, the c2 is just slow end off llol.

16th February 2010, 21:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by sm02_saxo

If its genuine, that r is one of the quickest ive seen, for the mods it has... goes like its got a cam in and a remap.

nope, no cams no remap. check my whole progress plz, i brought it pretty much completely standard with full service history and no cams i even checked and i thort the same, was just looked after unlike most vtrs..

there is many vtrs that are quicker than it.. it ran 1/4 mile at pod at 16.6 which many people have beaten.

16th February 2010, 21:58

the only reason i asked was my mate has bought a c2 vts.hes a cocky shit and i wanna race hi at crail or sumat

16th February 2010, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys_VTR

the only reason i asked was my mate has bought a c2 vts.hes a cocky shit and i wanna race hi at crail or sumat

my mate did the same, he was all big headed about being able to piss all over me, so i went to my local strip and that happened.. think there is some other videos on tube now off c2s getting thrashed.. just make sure urs is fully serviced then there wont be a problem mate

16th February 2010, 22:02

I can't get my head around this, but the video does show it...

16th February 2010, 22:03

the video proves nothing, have a quick search of 0-60 times on Parkers.

a c2 vts and a loeb (which are both 125bhp 16v) are exactly the same car, the loeb just has a few stickers on it and slightly different interior.

a gt is the the same as the 1.6 16v vtr (110or115bhp iirc).

they also do a 1.4 16v vtr

HOWEVER the tiptronic c2s which are very common are A LOT slower then the manuals due to the slow gear change.

im pretty sure a manual c2 vts will beat a saxo vtr but not a saxo vts

16th February 2010, 22:04

Im with Logan on thisss. As a guestimate.

Not sure about the VTS C2's but i had a westcoast before and raced a C2VTR and a GT and was a fairly easy one for the Westocast 1.4

Id guess the VTSC2 would be as fast as the vtr or very slight quicker, but nothing considerable.

16th February 2010, 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerchris

the video proves nothing, have a quick search of 0-60 times on Parkers.

a c2 vts and a loeb (which are both 125bhp 16v) are exactly the same car, the loeb just has a few stickers on it and slightly different interior.

a gt is the the same as the 1.6 16v vtr (110or115bhp iirc).

they also do a 1.4 16v vtr

HOWEVER the tiptronic c2s which are very common are A LOT slower then the manuals due to the slow gear change.

im pretty sure a manual c2 vts will beat a saxo vtr but not a saxo vts

pretty sure that the c2 lloeb is lighter? mabey wrong, but it doesnt have aircon or soemthing.. well tbh im not to bothered weather people belive me or not tbh.. the videos are there and OBVLY prove it. so couldnt really care.

16th February 2010, 22:06

you obv do tho.

16th February 2010, 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

Im with Logan on thisss. As a guestimate.

Not sure about the VTS C2's but i had a westcoast before and raced a C2VTR and a GT and was a fairly easy one for the Westocast 1.4

Id guess the VTSC2 would be as fast as the vtr or very slight quicker, but nothing considerable.

But on the video the VTR destroys the C2, i thought it may just edge ahead but it totally annihilates it.

16th February 2010, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

well i cant race you in my old vtr as its gone and dead now, you have a c2 and mabey you just dont like knowing that it will get done by a vtr..?

im not trying to cause arguements im just stating the proof.. i dont see no one else with videos.. but thats the results off the race.. his is brand new pretty much and he had a saxo westcost befor that then a 206 gti, and the gti was a good race to my vtr, the c2 is just slow end off llol.

yer thats it mate im in denial about gettin beat by a vtr, please dont tell anyone.
ive never raced a vtr but ive got out of one an then in a c2 so i know for a fact which was faster.

shall we argue about who has the biggest dick now, cos mines a 12inch i have that on vid!

16th February 2010, 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerchris

you obv do tho.

no im just fed up with people on this forum saying 'bollox' with no proof.. doesnt bother me if you belive it..

the point off the matter is, the lad wanted to know which was faster and thats my view and proof on the matter. peace.

16th February 2010, 22:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

yer thats it mate im in denial about gettin beat by a vtr, please dont tell anyone.
ive never raced a vtr but ive got out of one an then in a c2 so i know for a fact which was faster.

shall we argue about who has the biggest dick now, cos mines a 12inch i have that on vid!

must have been a very 'bad' vtr then. alright son, carm down..

16th February 2010, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

my mate did the same, he was all big headed about being able to piss all over me, so i went to my local strip and that happened.. think there is some other videos on tube now off c2s getting thrashed.. just make sure urs is fully serviced then there wont be a problem mate

cheers mate

16th February 2010, 22:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andys_VTR

cheers mate

Not a problem

16th February 2010, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxo_vtr

But on the video the VTR destroys the C2, i thought it may just edge ahead but it totally annihilates it.

You thought what i thought tbh. Its only one video though.

Poor quality Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FH3i_QG5c

You can see the Saxo VTS wins here. If both of them are standard then it would back up Logans Video as his VTR was probabaly as quick as a standard VTS..didnt you have an S1 Rallye box on it and a fair bit of work?

All Guess work tbh, we can all talk about it and all be wrong tbh.

Id love to race the C2 VTS now i got a VTR, but my mates sold the C2 and you cant get on the airfield anymore becouse the gypsies kept going on it so its been blocked off

16th February 2010, 22:19

my cammed and rallye boxed vtr was my wicked red one, that had injector problems and was a bit slower then the black one tbh..

in your video mate, that could be a vtr.. as forieng people have 1.4 vts's..

16th February 2010, 22:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j4uI...eature=related

16th February 2010, 22:24

yet again not a uk vid, so could be a 1.4 lmao.. theres a bloke on here with a 1.4 vts.. mabey my vtr is just STIPIDLY quick then lol.. or my mates vts is just SLOWWWW, but when we swaped cars and the same happened, so not down to drivers

any way.. my vtr beat a c2 vts, there for to me they are shit, and slow.. so go home.

much love.

16th February 2010, 22:25

tbh this threads useless lol. Theres no telling what engines in the cars in the videos and what mods theyve had aswell. Aslong as they have Argos filters, they sound sweet...

16th February 2010, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by db_sax

tbh this threads useless lol. Theres no telling what engines in the cars in the videos and what mods theyve had aswell. Aslong as they have Argos filters, they sound sweet...

idd i would be more than happy to make you people a video off my engine and my mates c2 engine then race and mabey you could class that as proof?

16th February 2010, 22:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

idd i would be more than happy to make you people a video off my engine and my mates c2 engine then race and mabey you could class that as proof?

I was talking about the youtube foreigners!

16th February 2010, 22:30

"my saxo running 111.2 bhp vs a brand new c2 vts loeb running 135+bhp! in car c2

c2 traction control off

"

why is he racing a brand new car anyway? or doesn't he like it?

16th February 2010, 22:31

Saxo = Better than C2, end of story tbh

16th February 2010, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerchris

"my saxo running 111.2 bhp vs a brand new c2 vts loeb running 135+bhp! in car c2

c2 traction control off

"

why is he racing a brand new car anyway? or doesn't he like it?

my vtr was running about 100 at the time off that race,

tbh he is 20 just wanted a bit off fun lol.. had a little race as he was very sure it would be me.. lmao any thing else you would like to try use as a excuse?

16th February 2010, 22:32

this is what we drive for. if i bought a 20 grand car tomorrow id drive the same as i do in my saxo

16th February 2010, 23:07

From the figures from parkers etc its pretty obvious that

A C2 vts is slower than a saxo vts
A c2 vts is faster than a saxo vtr

Assuming the cars are standard

17th February 2010, 11:59

Right as i am a c2 owner i have to comment lol..

The vts/loeb/code all share the 1.6 16v engine with 125bhp..

The gt is a light weight version with no spare wheel and air con with 11bhp

The vtr has the same engine as the gt but with tiptronic..

My vts had all the usual breathing mods e.g mani induction zorst.. and a cammed vtr with same mods kept up with me..

A Vts as you know.. enialates me.. hence me getting cams... to TRY and do something about it..

17th February 2010, 12:38

^^ cant get any more fair than that tbh.

17th February 2010, 12:46

110bhp *

not 11bhp hah

17th February 2010, 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioanjones

Right as i am a c2 owner i have to comment lol..

The vts/loeb/code all share the 1.6 16v engine with 125bhp..

The gt is a light weight version with no spare wheel and air con with 11bhp

The vtr has the same engine as the gt but with tiptronic..

My vts had all the usual breathing mods e.g mani induction zorst.. and a cammed vtr with same mods kept up with me..

A Vts as you know.. enialates me.. hence me getting cams... to TRY and do something about it..

Hi doesn,t suprise me in the least.
remapping of these fly by wire ecu,s is never sucessful as they fully adaptive ,which means if someonemods the fuel / igntion map it will over a period of time rewrite itself back to std map.
only correect way to do it is dump the fly by wire and fit a tandem stand alone ecu.
biggest power increase you will get id udmping the cat + fitting 4-1 manifoldwith a suitable exhaust system ,after that you will never get the gains you would like without dumping std ecu + throttle . so if doing that you may as well fit t/bodies at same time !!!
the senso drive is also always going to be a problem as it needs to see manifold pressure to decide when to change gear,

17th February 2010, 13:16

what are the red c2? with the stickers on the doors etc are they a lob edition? as have had a good play with one of them in my vts and i was in front all the way but tbh he was not all that far off porbs about 5-6 car lengths in it tbh and my vts has got 4-2-1 de cat induction kit etc so all breathing mods done

17th February 2010, 17:01

Thats a loeb yeh.. 5-6 car lengths?! lol thats huge... specially considering there both 1.6's

17th February 2010, 18:32

mayb my vts just a good un lol

17th February 2010, 18:38

my gf got a c2 gt its got full 4-1 system de-cat.. and its been mapped by previous owner not sure why he did it seen as its not been cammed or anything but it keeps up with vts c2

17th February 2010, 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by c20xejay

my gf got a c2 gt its got full 4-1 system de-cat.. and its been mapped by previous owner not sure why he did it seen as its not been cammed or anything but it keeps up with vts c2

pretty sure, its pointless remapping a c2, as they have a flyby ecu which will just put it back into the standard map... check datashift thread.. they were saying about it. doudt its been remapped mate..

17th February 2010, 19:46

its a bluefin chip :/

17th February 2010, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

pretty sure, its pointless remapping a c2, as they have a flyby ecu which will just put it back into the standard map... check datashift thread.. they were saying about it. doudt its been remapped mate..

I know loads of mapped c2's.. reddot claim they can remap this car.. jamespc with the cammed gt has mapped his standard ecu perfectly fine with them.. and the map stuck..

17th February 2010, 19:58

I raced a C2 VTS other night, and left him standing, so not surpised a vtr with mods will beat one.

17th February 2010, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrlogan

pretty sure, its pointless remapping a c2, as they have a flyby ecu which will just put it back into the standard map... check datashift thread.. they were saying about it. doudt its been remapped mate..

did you just read that from above as well

18th February 2010, 12:59

I have drove all 4 cars (standard)

Slowest to Fastest in a straight line.

C2 VTR
Saxo VTR (Mk1)
Saxo VTR (Mk2)
C2 VTS
Saxo VTS

Although the C2 VTS has the highest top speed.

Ben

18th February 2010, 13:00

My mate has a C2 VTS, decat, manifold, full exhaust, PH3 cams and a remap. Putting out 160bhp. Not hard, and the map stuck fine.

Ben

18th February 2010, 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by EM07_BEN

My mate has a C2 VTS, decat, manifold, full exhaust, PH3 cams and a remap. Putting out 160bhp. Not hard, and the map stuck fine.

Ben

can i ask who mapped it please? is he on the forums?

18th February 2010, 17:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by EM07_BEN

I have drove all 4 cars (standard)

Slowest to Fastest in a straight line.

C2 VTR
Saxo VTR (Mk1)
Saxo VTR (Mk2)
C2 VTS
Saxo VTS

Although the C2 VTS has the highest top speed.

Ben

How did you test straight line accelaration?

18th February 2010, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by EM07_BEN

I have drove all 4 cars (standard)

Slowest to Fastest in a straight line.

C2 VTR
Saxo VTR (Mk1)
Saxo VTR (Mk2)
C2 VTS
Saxo VTS

Although the C2 VTS has the highest top speed.

Ben

did you drive the 1.4 c2 vtr or the 1.6, cos my standard c2 1.6 vtr was so much quicker than my saxo vtr

18th February 2010, 17:59

I have both a c2 vts & saxo vts. Yeah the saxo is faster but on paper the c2 has 5bhp more.

Im led to believe the c2 engine is more easier to tune ect.... So yeah cams would be a good mod.

18th February 2010, 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaireHall

I have both a c2 vts & saxo vts. Yeah the saxo is faster but on paper the c2 has 5bhp more.

Im led to believe the c2 engine is more easier to tune ect.... So yeah cams would be a good mod.

Not with the c2's ecu lol.. Quite alot of people struggle with it.. but with the bigger valve head the gains will be bigger on a c2 vts yeah..

18th February 2010, 20:03

vtr vs vts c2 in theory the vtr shud actualy win bhp means fuk all wen uv got extra weight to pull look at the big supra vs skyline fings less hp supras mostly win as they have a lighter set up same thing goes here, im not sayin that is a definate but vtr winning is plausible or his mates just a shit jock lol.

18th February 2010, 21:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by westie-rossi

did you drive the 1.4 c2 vtr or the 1.6, cos my standard c2 1.6 vtr was so much quicker than my saxo vtr

mate c2's are not faster lol, your vtr must be crap mate.. if a ten year old car isnt serviced and has been thrashed its hole life its not gunna be faster.. but i think your dreaming thinking a c2 vtr is quicker than a saxo vtr, i doudt it could be a quickie tbh..

18th February 2010, 23:50

this makes me smile

19th February 2010, 00:28

C2 vts's are gay anyway nothin to shout about

19th February 2010, 09:42

^ a 1.1 is?

19th February 2010, 09:48

c2's do look pretty ugly!!

now a c2 vts engine in a saxo would be better

21st February 2010, 10:02

the saxo's vts and vtr's will beat the c2 simply due to the power to weight ratio my vts will leave a pontsy c2 standing and again the vtr's will prob piss it aswell eventhough the sax vtr is only an 8v it may still do the c2 16v, thats like saying a 1.4 16V fiesta will beat a 8v vtr jus cos its got more valves! absolute pony! at the end of the day like alot of people will say its the power to weight ratio thats important