Rear end noise. (ting)

1. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

   #1 25th February 2010, 20:55

   Hi all
   
   I recently changed over the rear beam and a few days ago my car has developed a strange noise from the back end.
   It's a similar noise to touching two glass bottles together, sort of high pitched ting. Only happens when I drive round corners aswell (mainly ones with road camber).
   I thought it was the arb that needed tightening, I did that this morning which seems to have solved most of it but it still happens on some very cambered corners.
   Should I try and tighten it more, or is there something else it could be?
   Is it common to do this when a new beam is fitted before it settles in?
   
   Thanks people.
   
   Sam
2. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #2 25th February 2010, 20:58

   Id try an tighten it abit more.
   
   Mine did it aswell, done it as tight as i thought best, test drove it and...TING.
   
   so tightened it as tight as possible.
3. user_41869 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 stoke on trent Posts: 741 saxo vtr

   #3 25th February 2010, 21:00

   this happened to mine. i used a spring washer worked a treat.
4. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

   #4 25th February 2010, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by frankie Id try an tighten it abit more. Mine did it aswell, done it as tight as i thought best, test drove it and...TING. so tightened it as tight as possible.

   Yeah i tihnk ill give it another go in the morning. Do it up as tight as i can.
   
   

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by anna2009 this happened to mine. i used a spring washer worked a treat.

   Spring washer??
5. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

   #5 25th February 2010, 21:05

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by anna2009 this happened to mine. i used a spring washer worked a treat.

   Care to Explain?
6. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

   #6 25th February 2010, 21:06

   spring washer is like a washer which has been cut and bent a wee bit.
   
   so when you go to tighten it up, the spring effect acts as pressure on both the bolt and end plate.
   
   hope ive explained it well enough
7. user_41869 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 stoke on trent Posts: 741 saxo vtr

   #7 25th February 2010, 21:12

   ^^^ spot on. try a washer cus it might do up tight but when u drive the bolt can work loose by using a washer it helps keep the pressure on and keep it tight. Be carefull not to over tighten as u can snap the ends of bolt off then u r fooked.
8. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

   #8 25th February 2010, 21:15

   have you got the washer the right side of the beam.
9. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

   #9 25th February 2010, 21:19

   Quote:

   Originally Posted by frankie spring washer is like a washer which has been cut and bent a wee bit. so when you go to tighten it up, the spring effect acts as pressure on both the bolt and end plate. hope ive explained it well enough

   I know what a spring washer is. lol.
10. frankie Saxperience Addict Joined: Apr 2006 Frome, down deepest, darkest zummerset Posts: 12971 VTRallye

    #10 25th February 2010, 21:22

    Mr_N didnt
    
    
11. user_10473 Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Jun 2006 Swansea Posts: 4946 Bianca White Peugeot 106 S2 Rallye, Saxo VTS

    #11 25th February 2010, 21:24

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by frankie Mr_N didnt

    Oh yerh. lol.
    
    Missed his comment
    
    My back end is making all sorts of funky noises at the moment. This being one of them
12. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

    #12 25th February 2010, 21:26

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anna2009 ^^^ spot on. try a washer cus it might do up tight but when u drive the bolt can work loose by using a washer it helps keep the pressure on and keep it tight. Be carefull not to over tighten as u can snap the ends of bolt off then u r fooked.

    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jordysport have you got the washer the right side of the beam.

    To tighten the arm am i right in thinking i take the passenger wheel off, pop the socket/washers on the bolt and wind the bolt in. Then tighten up the bolt so it pulls the arm onto the splines more.
    This what you both are getting at?
    As far as im aware there shouldnt be a washer left on the beam after this. Once its tight you take the bolt out and refit the rubber bung on the end of the arb plate. Only washers are the offset ones in the torsion bars.
13. user_25927 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Aug 2008 East Devon Posts: 7472 Clio RS200 Cup, Twingo RS133, Triumph Street Tripl

    #13 25th February 2010, 21:29

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MR_N To tighten the arm am i right in thinking i take the passenger wheel off, pop the socket/washers on the bolt and wind the bolt in. Then tighten up the bolt so it pulls the arm onto the splines more. This what you both are getting at? As far as im aware there shouldnt be a washer left on the beam after this. Once its tight you take the bolt out and refit the rubber bung on the end of the arb plate. Only washers are the offset ones in the torsion bars.

    No there is supposed to be a washer betweed the beam and the chassis if this is in the wrong place it will hit on he arms.
14. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

    #14 25th February 2010, 21:34

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jordysport No there is supposed to be a washer betweed the beam and the chassis if this is in the wrong place it will hit on the arms.

    i know there is suposed to be washers between the bushes that hold the beam on the chassis, im on about the arb.
15. kyle4256 Established Member Joined: Feb 2008 dundee Posts: 1844 saxo vts

    #15 25th February 2010, 21:42

    take the bolts of both sides that hold the antiroll bar in place and grease them and put them back in , that cured mine
16. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #16 25th February 2010, 22:28

    Don't overtighten the bolt especially if you're re-using old ones as they are prone to snap when very old
    
    They are only supposed to be torqued up to 25nm which is barely anything, they are supposed to have loctite on though to stop them wriggling loose as they are prone to come undone.
    
    Also make sure that the arb is sitting in the end plates correctly and evenly as its not long enough to fill the end plates as a snug fit so if it is right the way in on one side and then not very far in on the other side it can also cause the pinging
17. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

    #17 25th February 2010, 22:47

    Thanks for that willsy, nice and informative.
18. user_15516 Saxperience Post Whore Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 6640 Integra DC5R & VTS

    #18 25th February 2010, 22:55

    You can use a socket and bolt to jack the ARB further into the splines.
    
    Best bet might be to remove the end plate bolts, and (with a friend) hit each end plate at the same time with a hammer. Re-fit bolts with loctite and torque to correct setting.
19. willsy West Midlands Joined: Nov 2005 Nuneaton (West Mids) Posts: 13835 '64 Volvo V40 R’Design, '89 Ph1 309 GTi, ‘97 Mk1 S

    #19 25th February 2010, 22:56

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by MR_N Thanks for that willsy, nice and informative.

    No problem mate need to have a tinker with mine when its back aswel.
    
    I may retap the ARB bolt hole to an M10 aswel so it can be done up more snugly without any risks.
20. user_41869 Frequent Poster Joined: Feb 2010 stoke on trent Posts: 741 saxo vtr

    #20 26th February 2010, 09:35

    Hi just found this. http://www.saxperience.com/faq/show-...e.php?artid=87
    It in FAQ's hope this helps
21. Stevo123 Established Member Joined: Apr 2009 Redcar Posts: 1971 2000 Posi Blue vtr

    #21 26th February 2010, 11:54

    I went through all this rigmarole before, turns out the radius arm bearings have gone. I used to get the ting noise coming off roundabouts when the car levelled itself out after the corner. Now it does it over bumps in the road and speedbumps as well.
    MOT picked it up as "slight play". I intend to fit refurb beam this summer.
22. MR_N Saxperience Forum Bum Joined: Apr 2007 Fareham Posts: 3029 Saxo VTR

    #22 26th February 2010, 11:59

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by anna2009 Hi just found this. http://www.saxperience.com/faq/show-...e.php?artid=87 It in FAQ's hope this helps

    hmmm, i did the passenger side one when i tightened up the arb, havent done the drivers one yet though. Off ot try that now.
    
    

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Stevo123 I went through all this rigmarole before, turns out the radius arm bearings have gone. I used to get the ting noise coming off roundabouts when the car levelled itself out after the corner. Now it does it over bumps in the road and speedbumps as well. MOT picked it up as "slight play". I intend to fit refurb beam this summer.

    Yeah my last mot had that, Only had this new beam on a week. Hopefully just teething problems
23. CookiieDough Newbie Joined: Feb 2010 Bethesda Ruins Posts: 4 Two-tone Veeter

    #23 26th February 2010, 16:22

    I have this exact problem atm. But since i'm useless at anything technical, how much do you reckon a garage would fix it for?
24. LSOfreak Saxperience Addict Joined: Jan 2008 west london Posts: 13810

    #24 4th January 2011, 16:34

    i know this is a bump, but i have this problem and tryed everything but cant do it!
    
    Put a bolt where the rubber bung is and tightened the arb as much as i could. then tightened the 13mm bolt (which i snapped, and tapped out). its got thread lock on it aswell. any ideas why im still getting a 'ting' noise?